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Conscious Excavations

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Exploring the subconscious and awakening consciousness.
  1. ProducerMax Carter

    Max Carter

    Emotional Intelligence = Empathic Intuition
    Emotional Intelligence = Empathic IntuitionThey are the same thing. When you allow yourself to engage in empathy you open the empathic ability each of us has to a certain degree. In doing this you learn to translate emotion and the intent behind it. This is the basis of intuition, to be able...


    Franci Eugenia Hoffman
    04/12/2016 #3 Franci Eugenia Hoffman
    Nice piece, Max. I believe we must be open and honest with ourselves in order to understand others. What we sense in ourselves makes us aware of what to look for in others. Looking through the eyes of another has to be a honed skill because you have to completely forget about self to do so.
    Max Carter
    04/12/2016 #2 Max Carter
    #1 Thank you @Sara Jacobovici I undertook the unthinkable task of destroying my identity or ego living in the egoless state for a few years in order understand the concepts I write about. Everything I write unless otherwise stated is based in experience and a few years of field research.

    The bulk of my work has been with people who have been told they are mentally ill when in fact they possess one or more pronounced natural born ability to read far beyond what the text have been telling us for far too many years and many people have been made to suffer for this ignorance.

    In fact we are evolving as a people and these pronounced traits of Empath Telepath and Medium and others are showing in greater numbers because the species is evolving to this.

    I myself am all 3 and evolution and genetics is the only explanation that makes sense after studying over 100,000 people.
    Sara Jacobovici
    04/12/2016 #1 Sara Jacobovici
    Thank you for bringing my attention to your post @Max Carter. I very much appreciate your perspective here and the work you're doing; "assisting people in opening up to their intuitive self and assisting them in becoming more accurate in their reading of emotion". I find it crucial to be open and aware of all aspects of ourselves and reconnect with those parts that have been covered up over the years with layers of learning that doesn't integrate all of our innate abilities. As our well, your discussion about emotions and wisdom reminded me of one of my favorite expressions; a wise heart.
  2. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/inspire-me/87167625/legally-blind-photographer-karley-miller-lives-her-dreamChas Wyatt
  3. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    http://www.thechangeblog.com/reframe-failure/ Chas Wyatt
  4. ProducerAli Anani

    Ali Anani

    Conscious and Subconscious Questions
    Conscious and Subconscious QuestionsI say the more we know, the more we should ask questions to discover how little we know. Surprisingly, what we know for sure becomes our handicap. We all know for example, that water is an essential ingredient for our health and vitality. We know...


    Ali Anani
    30/11/2016 #157 Ali Anani
    #156 This is amazingly well-said "Traveling is about finding new and losing old".
    Joris Plaatstaal
    30/11/2016 #156 Joris Plaatstaal
    #155 I think that is the beauty and the sadness of it all. Crossing the border might be an event not noticed by the traveler.

    No matter what border the traveler crosses, at some point the traveler will realize there is no way back.

    The traveler crossed the line and lost his past. Is that why so many of us do not travel?

    I can understand them, the stayers. Traveling is about finding new and losing old. I can understand it does not appeal to everyone.
    Ali Anani
    30/11/2016 #155 Ali Anani
    #154 I hope you share with us your thoughts when they cross the borderline @Joris Plaatstaal. Again, you got me even more interested.
    Joris Plaatstaal
    30/11/2016 #154 Joris Plaatstaal
    #153 Now you got me thinking.... @Ali Anani.

    "Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge."

    This is an interaction I truly love. ......Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge...... It is just great, I did not realize that while commenting. You kick my thoughts a step further and at this time I am not sure why.....

    Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge. There are so many ways to look at that. I will have to let it sink in.

    Thank you!
    Ali Anani
    30/11/2016 #153 Ali Anani
    #152 "Know" to soon and freedom is lost. Never know and freedom is an illusion- this got me thinking deeply @Joris Plaatstaal. Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge. WOW!
    Joris Plaatstaal
    29/11/2016 #152 Joris Plaatstaal
    #148 I agree @Ali Anani.

    "And so there is a danger of always searching." That was indeed a bit of a one-liner. What I tried to say.... And that is where the complexity cuts in....

    There are people who are sure they know. There are people who are sure they don't know, and they search further.

    At what point in life and knowledge are we happy with who we are? Free?

    Am I to early reaching that point? I made up my mind. I am sixteen years old and I know it all. What I know is the rigid setting for the rest of my life.

    Will I never reach that point? I can't make up my mind. I am 120 years old and I am not sure. I must learn more.

    Those are two extremities, I know. They fell in my mind, reading your conversation with Max. Those extremities do not represent you or Max. My knowledge of the both of you is too superficial.

    Ah well. What did Come to my mind? The extremities.

    "Know" to soon and freedom is lost. Never know and freedom is an illusion. Where do I step in? At what point in my life I feel secure, without developing my own tunnel vision? It feels like a Gaussian curve with a standard deviation of close to nothing.

    Does this explain my one-liner more?

    P.S. I am only here to exchange thoughts, not to prove my right. Thank you for your open, respectful comment.
    Ali Anani
    29/11/2016 #151 Ali Anani
    #150 I apprecciate your kind words and heartfelt comments to enhance my understanding of many topics. Thank you dear @Harvey Lloyd
    Harvey Lloyd
    29/11/2016 #150 Harvey Lloyd
    @Ali Anani in my review of the post i saw the dedication and meant to say thank you. I appreciate your energy and your researching heart of understanding.
    Max Carter
    28/11/2016 #149 Max Carter
    #148 How is truth a trade in for freedom?

    I remember hearing it as the truth shall set you free.
    Ali Anani
    28/11/2016 #148 Ali Anani
    #147 @Joris Plaatstaal- There is a concept of "DEgrees of Freedom in statistics. I realize I lost one degree from your comment "But in the end we are all free. Even people that trade in their freedom for A truth. They are free to lose their freedom.

    And so there is a danger of always searching.
    Joris Plaatstaal
    28/11/2016 #147 Joris Plaatstaal
    Joris Plaatstaal
    11 min #146

    Nov 28, 2016 12:41:55 AM

    #141 It comes with being on social media @Ali Anani. No different to life. Everywhere, anytime we follow leaders who know......

    In the end you can only follow yourself. I think you do just that. Your questioning, an admirable gift.

    But in the end we are all free. Even people that trade in their freedom for A truth. They are free to lose their freedom.

    And so there is a danger of always searching.

    Life is so lovely complicated! It is all I expected. A blind walking forwards. Infinite.

    Freedom is universal. But we seem to not live in the same universe.... Another complication, yes!
    Max Carter
    27/11/2016 #144 Max Carter
    #142 It's not negative and you are being abusive in saying so.

    Here's why.

    It;'s the truth and it hurt your feelings because the truth hurts when one is living in delusion. Again this is behavioral psychology applied. I am not being negative I am being honest.

    Using the term negative is a mechanism for retaining ones delusional state so one can dismiss that they heard truth.

    Using the term negative is done to infer there is something wrong with someone so you ignore them and what they have presented.

    If I applied the positive negative metaphor I have been more positive than most as honesty is a positive quality and delusion one that has negative impacts on the self and that damage gets spread in the name of justifying holding onto the delusion causing one to see the truth as a negative thing because it destroys their delusion.

    It is psychologically unhealthy to use such subjective terms as positive and negative as they allow for mechanism to abuse other people to become rationalized and justified through use of the terms.
    Ali Anani
    27/11/2016 #143 Ali Anani
    #142 I love your "balanced response dear @Mohammed Sultan
    Mohammed Sultan
    27/11/2016 #142 Mohammed Sultan
    #140 Wisdom goes beyond understanding to interpretation of facts,it makes one's light more brighter than another and will help us see others pitfalls.We are always required to find a synergy between our personal and professional objectives.Our knowledge base and skills often go beyond the recipes of classical behavior psychology books to coaching and mentoring , visioning and inspiring people .We always think of more creative ways to develop the students skills to stretch their thinking beyond the norms of classic books.Our thoughts are always a reflection of our feeling and when we view others as "wrong"we trigger our negative emotions and may regress into a negative mood.
    Ali Anani
    27/11/2016 #141 Ali Anani
    I read by a quote years back stating that "I have to be 300% I am correct before I dare say somebody is wrong".
    Some comments are sidelining these discussions by making sweeping comments and turning the discussions from win- win to I win-you lose. It is sad it is truly wasting our times. Just stating somebody is flatly wrong without solid proofs and with many not seeing eye-to-eye with him is unacceptable. I hope discussions here shall only focus on the theme of the buzz and not sideline it to show off what we know. If needed and the commenter has such opposing ideas I suggest he writes a separate buzz.
    Max Carter
    27/11/2016 #140 Max Carter
    #137 Wisdom is understanding how much of the knowledge is superfluous and strips away at structures to find understanding.

    You are totally wrong as knowledge about people is absolutely scientific depending how you acquire it.

    Experience reveals truth.
    Any scientific experiment is designed to find the truth or determine what the facts are and what is the actual.

    To deny there any absolutes is delusional thinking at it's best stemming from a fear of being wrong. This is behavioral psychology applied through scientific method over the course of many hundreds of years in society and is an inarguable absolute truth and fact of the human condition.

    The only reason to attempt to deny this is keep ones delusions in place so one never has to take stand and risk being wrong which means they choose willful ignorance and never really grow and keep themselves in a state of emotional maturity that is could be described as adolescent or juvenile.

    This isn't my idea or creative thinking, this is applied behavioral psychology.
    CityVP Manjit
    27/11/2016 #139 CityVP Manjit
    #136 Yes, interactions is light that travels outwards from within and connects us all, rather than putting spotlights on situations when the people who most need to change remain dark within.
    Sara Jacobovici
    27/11/2016 #138 Sara Jacobovici
    #132 Answers perfectly @David B. Grinberg. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
    Mohammed Sultan
    27/11/2016 #137 Mohammed Sultan
    #134 I'm sure you misunderstood me.My words say what I mean about your real creativity.Our creative thinking is not based on any delusion ,we may be in different positions but we have a common interest that can bridge this gap.It has to be conceded that knowledge about people is not necessarily of a scientific nature.Not only that ;possibly the phenomenon of humanity will never be susceptible to the kind of dominating prestige in business.Not only that;Our creative thinking or innovation develop from blending our inner creative life and its application to the business world.I still remember the wisdom of Kant when he quoted; Science is organized knowledge and wisdom is organized life,and on the importance of concepts he also quoted;thoughts without context are empty and intuition without concept are blind.Believe me it's not a double- face or a double- talk or am setting a group against another.
    Ali Anani
    27/11/2016 #136 Ali Anani
    #135 Thank you for your very elaborative response dear @CityVP Manjit. I share this perspective with you "Now link this with diversity and one does not need to build a bridge for that - for the connection point is within, it is within mind, within spirit and within body". I just wanted to ensure that you didn't mean bridge. With this explanation I am in agreement with you.
    One definition of culture is that it is an emerging product of how people interact. I believe this is consistent with your response. If the "within" of individuals is healthy their interactions should yield a healthy culture. Culture that accept differences and find them a way to explore varieties of possibilities.
  5. ProducerDannye Williamsen
    All The World's A Stage
    All The World's A StageSpiritual growth is not linear. It is cyclical. Becoming more spiritually aware, you are in an uptrend, so to speak, but it has its setbacks. There are many moments when, despite what we know, we act in opposition to what we know. This is just...


    Chas Wyatt
    24/11/2016 #1 Chas Wyatt
    Pain and struggle accompanies any new birth. To envision a new world, one must awaken from slumber. I believe that is what is occurring now. "Perhaps everything terrible is in its deepest being something helpless that wants help from us." ~Rainer Maria Rilke.
  6. ProducerDannye Williamsen
    3 Ways To Survive Going Home For The Holidays
    3 Ways To Survive Going Home For The HolidaysFor many years, I wasn't ready to admit that a visit home for the holidays traumatized me so badly that even after returning home, I was in a dark mood for days and sometimes weeks. I often justified my state of mind by blaming it on the long...


    Dannye Williamsen
    29/11/2016 #3 Dannye Williamsen
    #1 Neither do I, Nicole. For those of us who haven't actually broken ranks with our families yet, though, I hope this helps.
    For those for whom visiting family is like visiting aliens from another planet or like being stood against the wall to wait for the firing squad, it is time to do what's best for their mental health. Some say we choose our friends, but we don't get to choose our family. True, but no one said we have to like our family and make them part of our lives.
    Nicole Chardenet
    29/11/2016 #2 Nicole Chardenet
    I'm late catching up on a lot of my Thanksgiving week mail and posts, but this is a great post to read if you're now dreading the Christmas gathering...
    Nicole Chardenet
    29/11/2016 #1 Nicole Chardenet
    Awesome post, Dannye. I would maybe add this proviso: Sometimes families are just so damn toxic it's best for you and your own family to just stay away from them. I've known people who said their holidays were much happier once they stopped meeting up with people who only seemed to exist to make their lives miserable. As important as family is, sometimes they're just too crazy to deal with. I don't fault people if they just don't want the mental and emotional drag on their holidays.
  7. ProducerDannye Williamsen
    An Attitude of Gratitude
    An Attitude of GratitudeA phrase we've all heard quite often, an "attitude of gratitude" is nonetheless an important concept if you're interested in becoming a Conscious Creator of your life. Practicing such an attitude brings you into oneness with the idea...


    Mohammed A. Jawad
    24/11/2016 #2 Mohammed A. Jawad
    Aha...Cultivating an attitude of gratitude makes a person's heart and soul beauteous.

    Thanks @Dannye Williamsen for this insightful post.
  8. ProducerMax Carter

    Max Carter

    How to raise your vibration, the simple truth
    How to raise your vibration, the simple truthIn the fewest words possible. Embrace life with unconditional love.What does that mean? When one loves without conditions one gives love selflessly to all one encounters. Love has many faces and fear is the dark mirror of love. Love is a fierce...


    Max Carter
    24/11/2016 #10 Max Carter
    #9 Thank you for the reading material and the explanation. It makes a lot of sense.
    Hervé Sabattier
    23/11/2016 #9 Hervé Sabattier
    Thank you Max for your reply. You can try my very last one, "Friendship" (https://www.bebee.com/producer/@herve-sabattier/friendship), but my favorite, in English, are "Tell her" (https://www.bebee.com/producer/@herve-sabattier/tell-her), "The Wolf" (https://www.bebee.com/producer/@herve-sabattier/the-wolf) and "Carry me" (https://www.bebee.com/producer/@herve-sabattier/carry-me). And I would like to comfort you: I am bilingual and though French is my native language, when I write in English, I write straight in English, from my mind functionning in English, I do not translate. I don't know really why sometimes I think in French and write in French and sometimes I think and write in English. But, obviously, when it is in French, I have some more vocabulary and nuances available and it is a bit easier for me. I hope you will enjoy my poems and maybe afterwards you would like to try some of the short stories or tales that I also posted on BeBee.
    Max Carter
    23/11/2016 #8 Max Carter
    #7 I have not. Which ones would you recommend?

    I never would have guessed English wasn't your first language.

    I am sure it would be easier in your native tongue to express it better from your core as the act of translation forces redefinition at times as no languages ever truly translate completely to other languages and there is either something lost or added in the translation.
    Hervé Sabattier
    23/11/2016 #7 Hervé Sabattier
    #6 Thank you Max. Well, I believe I am better at poetry. More in French than in English, alas for you, for French is my native language. But I try my best in English too. Did you read some of my poems?
    Max Carter
    23/11/2016 #6 Max Carter
    #5 Thank you @Hervé Sabattier I dug the piece and added in the Church of Rock N Roll hive.

    Don't sell yourself short, you have plenty of talent.
    Hervé Sabattier
    23/11/2016 #5 Hervé Sabattier
    Thank you Max for this post. I feel the same as you. It is what I tried to explain in my post "The Secret of Happiness is Love", with less talent than you. You may read it here if you wish: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@herve-sabattier/the-secret-of-happiness-is-love
    Max Carter
    23/11/2016 #4 Max Carter
    #3 Thanks @Deb Helfrich I feel stupid for not thinking of that myself. hahaha
    Deb Helfrich
    23/11/2016 #3 Deb Helfrich
    #2 I think it would make a great static home page for your site. And you could put the link to this buzz on the top of your profile - as the best introduction to your work & down in the links section. I suspect pinning will show up pretty soon.
    Max Carter
    23/11/2016 #2 Max Carter
    #1 Thank you @Deb Helfrich How do I do that on here?

    I have it on Linkedin and my site as well and based on what you said here I think I am going to make it the static front page of thechruchofrocknroll.org. Thank you for insights and compliment alike.

    I have found the only thing you a short cut does is cut you short of the full experience.

    The fun part is that the world never stops. There a hard days and easy days always in life and even when one rises to the highest of vibration love is challenging to live as no matter how much you might love some people, you really don't like them very much.

    This is when the healthy expression of love is to let the distance allow the heart to grow fonder as you keep yourself in different location within the now regardless of the connection that will always be there.
    Deb Helfrich
    23/11/2016 #1 Deb Helfrich
    @Max Carter, This is the buzz that you should pin to the top of your profile - or add to the links at the bottom. The 'am I acting from love or fear' question does simplify the whole of life's decisions, dramas, and outcomes - whether the intention is conscious or not.

    For example, there is a slight typo in the next to the last sentence. And yet that slight quickness of fingers, reveals an important truth for me. What we have been taught or modeled about love has been limited and often downright wrong and so starting with loving unconventionally is a great place to dive into my capacity to love unconditionally.

    This last year has taught me a lot about acting with love and how even with the best intentions I have learned some faulty shortcuts and can fool myself, especially when I react rather than "let everything go" and chose to act from a state of calm peace.

    And even as I have to work at it, I can see that it was my education and socialization that obscures my abilities. I was taught fear. But it was labelled as many other things and therein lies so much of my difficulties.
  9. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    http://www.onbeing.org/program/isabel-wilkerson-the-heart-is-the-last-frontier/transcript/9049#main_content Chas Wyatt


    Chas Wyatt
    24/11/2016 #2 Chas Wyatt
    @Laurent Boscherini, you are very welcome. Thank you for reading it and commenting.
    Laurent Boscherini
    23/11/2016 #1 Anonymous
    Thank you @Chas Wyatt for sharing this excellent article. A Must Read !
  10. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    A Prayer from Pir Zia Inayat Khan~
    "The election is over, and life goes on.
    We will keep bearing witness to the One Being.
    We will keep honoring the legacies of the prophets and prophetesses of all lands.
    We will keep revering the sacredness of the Earth.
    We will keep following the way of remembrance which all religions share.
    We will keep pursuing justice for all people.
    We will keep recognizing people of all races and persuasions as our sisters and brothers.
    We will keep extending our hearts’ goodwill toward everyone, excluding no one.
    We will keep witnessing the beauty that is all around us and within us.
    We will keep learning the truth of our being.
    We will keep working to draw back the curtains of egoism from our eyes.
    Life goes on, and we will keep going."~ Pir Zia Inayat Khan.
    Chas Wyatt


    Irene Hackett
    19/11/2016 #5 Anonymous
    I am glad I checked out your hive @Chas Wyatt, to have found this wonderful jewel.
    Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    18/11/2016 #4 Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    That is a Sufi prayer in essence. Ameen. Amen.
    Aurorasa Sima
    18/11/2016 #3 Aurorasa Sima
    I can´t like your comment. Consider it liked.
    Chas Wyatt
    18/11/2016 #2 Chas Wyatt
    #1 I tried to tag many of my connections on this including you, but, it wasn't working for some reason. I gave up after three tries. I am glad you read it.
    Aurorasa Sima
    17/11/2016 #1 Aurorasa Sima
    Oh, well. I just read an article in a German magazine. About a Mexican business man from Texas.

    Life goes on ... .for the non-latinos of us.
  11. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    "At night, I open the window and ask the moon to come and press its face against mine. Breathe into me. Close the language-door and open the love-window. The moon won’t use the door, only the window." ~Rumi.
    "Heaven's ebon vault,
    Studded with stars unutterably bright,
    Through which the moon's unclouded grandeur rolls,
    Seems like a canopy which love has spread
    To curtain her sleeping world."
    ~Percy Bysshe Shelley.
    Chas Wyatt


    Cristina López Hara 🐼
    19/11/2016 #3 Cristina López Hara 🐼
    Very good picture and words !
    Irene Hackett
    19/11/2016 #2 Anonymous
    Makes my heart beat..
    Don Kerr
    14/11/2016 #1 Don Kerr
    Beautiful @Chas Wyatt
  12. ProducerSavvy Raj

    Savvy Raj

    And the muse will touch you...
    And the muse will touch you...Artwork by Savvy RajCreativity is abundant in the flow of lifeIn moulding  it to give form in the formlessIn blending in its essence to shape as you pleaseIn connecting the dots to structure it meaningfullyEvery artist charts his pathWith the...


    Savvy Raj
    12/11/2016 #8 Savvy Raj
    #6 Thank you @Lisa Gallagher ... ultimately it is about taking a step ...trusting the limitless potential within us all .
    Lisa Gallagher
    12/11/2016 #6 Lisa Gallagher
    "Every creative endeavour is an undefinable journey of peaks and pitfalls , of highs and lows" this is so true @Savvy Raj, and if we don't take a chance on the journey we can miss out on many opportunities. Great piece!
    Savvy Raj
    12/11/2016 #5 Savvy Raj
    2 Yes indeed! @Deb Lange As you warmly reflect 'to be awake enough to be touched' indeed this aspect of empathic mindfulness is exactly the need of the moment in sensing the infinite truth of the being..
    Savvy Raj
    12/11/2016 #4 Savvy Raj
    #1 Thank you for the kind words in deep resonance here dear @Deb Helfrich especially on the aspect of trust. At the root of creativity is a letting go in the trustful knowing!
    Deb Lange
    12/11/2016 #2 Deb Lange
    "The muse will touch you
    In the oddest moment
    As it knows not time
    To give your thoughts a new pattern
    Although the path is of your own making.' beautiful @Savvy Raj - and to be awake enough to be touched, to sense the touch and to be opened by the touch. I muse there are more moments than we realise but, often we are desensitised to them. To awaken to sense the touch opens the floodgates.
    Deb Helfrich
    11/11/2016 #1 Deb Helfrich
    "Trust in the knowing" Profoundly accurate words, @Savvy Raj. Even though much of life is about pulling us out of the state of knowing, learning how to cultivate it in ourselves is the best gift we can give ourselves. Life is sweet when we trust in our knowing.
  13. ProducerKevin Pashuk

    Kevin Pashuk

    Between Mysticism and Reality – The Realm of Imagination
    Between Mysticism and Reality – The Realm of ImaginationThis post was inspired by three disconnected, yet in my fertile mind, related things. The first was a recent post by Phil Friedman on Mysticism vs. Rationality (On Forcing Perception to fit Preconception). The second was a quote from a...


    Lisa Gallagher
    13/11/2016 #55 Lisa Gallagher
    #54 @Praveen Raj Gullepalli, if you write a buzz about this please tag me, I love your stories! This was great.
    Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    13/11/2016 #54 Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    #53 Dear Phil, I would not take offence no matter what you would say for my incredulity too knew no bounds; and each time i met such folks it only increased my bewilderment and instilled a sense of acceptance of waves and frequencies (that is the word some used) which were simply beyond my ken. I spent quality time poking, provoking, testing, cross-checking and talking to them at length. I actually wanted to do a small book on my experiences with these amazing people, but had trouble deploying reason on their prowess. Barring their reticence, they allowed me to frisk them, remove all gadgets etc from their person...but they would just close their eyes, meditate and tell it like it is! One person would talk to a small stick, keeping it to his ear as if he was on long distance call and ask someone at some other wooden end! Did i feel like a fool! Were they laughing at me! One even offered to teach me, but backed off when i said I was married :) (what was that about?)...these are my experiences and not just claims Phil. Some of these folks are still around. But I no longer mess around with them. But I sure will write about some of the encounters and share them just for the interest factor. Thank you for your response.
    Phil Friedman
    13/11/2016 #53 Phil Friedman
    #51 Praveen, with all due respect, I am incredulous, particularly because you claim involves your having personally encountered "many mystics" with such powers. It is such a controversial subject that, if you had personal encounters with a great number of such Mystics with such powers, I would have expected a full blown scientific study of the encounters, for documentation of circumstances and repeatability. And what a marvelous thing it would be to establish the truth of such claims once and for all,
    Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    13/11/2016 #51 Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    #12 Dear Phil, Intuition has also been defined as 'the direct perception of knowledge'' without tools of reason or empiricism aiding that perception. I have personally encountered mystics (many) who have been able to read the thoughts of a total stranger (who I knew well) 1500 kilometers away, just upon being provided the person's full name. I even called that person after this meeting with the mystic to verify the same. While the thought of the stranger itself was unusual the fact that someone so remote could access that exact thought was simply stupefying! Am as puzzled about it today as I was then. When i asked how he could do such a thing, that rustic mystic just smiled and said practice and mentioned some process that involved investing firstly belief, and a lot of sustained effort. I assume there must be some higher science to it involving physics, near-instantaneous travel, and so on! ;)
    Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    13/11/2016 #50 Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    Great thoughts dear Kev. Questioning, reasoning, wondering, dreaming, postulating etc., is everyone's prerogative. It is forcing perception to fit pre-conception (in a recent instance some folks mistakenly forced their perceptions and assumed a bee was building a cult - when it was not so - and started a long thread that was based on a wrong assumption! We were light-years away from a breakthrough there actually ;). It really hurt a lot of enthusiastic, curious and wondering minds who were developing a wonderful rapport with each other. Things could have been reasonably resolved in an offline mode as most of it was technical and beyond the Ken of even perhaps a Boddie! ;) (No offence meant to our dear Wandering Aengus there :). It was a kind of in-hive inter-group talk that was rudely intruded upon sort of :) However, that threat revealed the limits of Reason in a nutshell. Reason is beautiful. Imagination is wonderful. Out of wonder and imagination sprang all seeds of enquiry and thought. We must never forget that. Of course Dreaming should be followed by Doing, once the vision is laid out to a plan. The patterns, the forms, the fractals (more like units of similarity, recurring abundantly)...they have messages to convey am sure! We can't just say that they are just there and that's that can we? Ignorance is not bliss for all! Seeking answers can be / is a tortuous path to self-realisation. The cold comfort of Reason may not suffice for all. The cult of Reason is equally abhorrent to many. The sage and tolerant accept, acknowledge and respect all for their respective worth and seek Reason and Imagination for answers and inspiration.
    Mark Anthony
    12/11/2016 #49 Mark Anthony
    Well @Kevin Pashuk, rationally thinking this makes complete sense . I always remember snippets of info that stick with me ,of the top of my head from my studying days . One of those was " When we're born we bring something with us and as time goes on we lose that something " . I also feel a sense of anger and resentment towards social norms when I read posts like yours . Thankyou
    Irene Hackett
    12/11/2016 #48 Anonymous
    "When you adopt the standards and the values of someone else ...you surrender your own integrity and become ...less of a human being." ~Eleanor Roosevelt
    Irene Hackett
    12/11/2016 #47 Anonymous
    Thank you dear @Milos Djukic for tagging me in Kevin's inspiring buzz.I would first like to respectfully point out that Robert Kennedy was actually quoting George Bernard Shaw in thay famous line. I am very interested in a 'holistic' approach to education, allowing for more organic expansion and growth, meaning the student learns according to his/her natural instincts. But that is my dream 😀 The challenge with education is that it tends to be a closed system of indoctrination within our cultural conditioning - a form of Reductionism, where certain aspects of the person are disregarded. Viktor Frankl talks about these issues as causing great emotional disturbances in college students - "the existential vacuum". Perhaps as we encourage the student to experience art, for example, we help them to open their capacity to create, to invent, to dream big! A lot of love and personal attention may be the best inspiration to fuel the geniuses we all are - these are the teachers who change lives and do not necessarily teach in a school room. Glad you wrote this Kevin; the message is very important.
    Mohammed Sultan
    12/11/2016 #46 Mohammed Sultan
    @Kevin Pashuk .The post is not only interesting but also beneficial.Each of us posses a nearly limitless creative strands of thoughts,the challenge is to uncover them and develop them.Changing of learning contexts generates new energy as well as creativity and imagination ,but you can't change contexts without having the patience to learn something new.We should teach students how to free themselves from fear when facing challenging tasks or uncertain situations.Fear sometimes force us to get satisfied with the status quo and to any obvious first solution.Innovative thinking also emerges from ensuring a healthy level of personal balance.Teachers should teach students how to approach new challenges and break the traditional patterns of their brains with sharpened inquisitiveness.
    Chas Wyatt
    12/11/2016 #45 Chas Wyatt
    @Kevin Pashuk, I am sure you are familiar with this Ted Talk by Sir Ken Robinson, "Do Schools Kill Creativity?"; it is one of my favs, as is the quote you used by Robert Kennedy~
    "A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral." ~Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, Flight to Arras, 1942.
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #44 Kevin Pashuk
    #43 Conscious Excavations?? Sounds a bit painful to me, but thanks for sharing it there Charles.
    Charles David Upchurch
    11/11/2016 #43 Charles David Upchurch
    Thanks for tagging me in on this, @Milos Djukic.

    @Kevin Pashuk I could not tell if this was already shared to the Conscious Excavations hive, so sharing it to there now.
    Lisa Gallagher
    11/11/2016 #42 Lisa Gallagher
    #37 I agree Kevin and the wonderful thing, it passes on to the next generation!! My mom used to say "Anything is possible, just don't give up or lose faith in yourself," we remember even 'words' like that. Those words translated into meaning!
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #41 Kevin Pashuk
    #31 Thanks Rami. Divergent thinking is just that... divergent.
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #40 Kevin Pashuk
    #30 Thanks for your comment Joris. There's a huge difference between the number of people who want change for their nation, and the number of people willing to change if it would benefit the nation (or organization). The education model common in North America and Europe has its roots in the industrial revolution, where people were moving from an agriculture economy to a manufacturing economy. The factories needed workers who could do repetitive tasks and take instruction without questioning. There has to be be a widespread desire (and voice) for a nation to realize this model doesn't support our current needs. Finland was an exception. It took drastic measures to reform their educational system, and while nothing is a panacea, the results are promising.
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #39 Kevin Pashuk
    #29 Love Shel Silverstein's work Robert... but I like your quote better.

    "We don't send explorers out into the world. We send out duplicates. That's such a shame."

    Well said my friend.
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #38 Kevin Pashuk
    #28 You would think we would get smarter in our old age Ken when it comes to politician promising change. It reminds me of the fresh new politician campaigning and in his speech mentions all the corruption and gravy train perks given to Senators. When asked if he was going to change it, he (honestly replied) "Heck no!! I want to get in on it!" It was probably his last election.
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #37 Kevin Pashuk
    #27 Thanks Lisa. I've often told my kids, "In your imagination, anything is possible. You can fly, you can be invisible, you can be a hero. The real magic, is when you translate those dreams into reality. THAT is innovation."
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #36 Kevin Pashuk
    #26 Thanks for the link to your post on Creativity Sara. Great read.

    'Creativity' by itself is indeed hard to measure. It's like the Supreme Court Judge, when asked how he defined 'pornography' said "I may not how know how to define pornography, but I know it when I see it."

    That's the challenge of schools trying to introduce 'creative thinking' and 'lateral thinking' into the curriculum. It's generally difficult to build into a rubric. You can see evidence of this kind of thinking in the output...

    At our school, I asked the academic leadership to describe an 'exceptional learning experience'. They went away for two weeks and came back with stories of what it would look like, the behaviours they would see in students, the metrics they would use to measure success, and the learning environment that would support this type of learning, which included collaboration, self discovery, solving problems that have no 'right' answer, etc.

    The school (and this is critical) committed to supporting the development of this type of educational experience.

    We are an independent school, so we do not have the challenges that public school boards face, but it is my core belief that every student globally needs to have an exceptional learning experience.
    Kevin Pashuk
    11/11/2016 #35 Kevin Pashuk
    #24 There's a great Japanese proverb. Substitute 'Dream' for 'Vision'.

    "Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."
  14. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    When the Going Gets Tough...
    Chas Wyatt
  15. ProducerSavvy Raj

    Savvy Raj

    RootednessA  tree is a fine example of rootedness, let us explore what is this rootedness all about.To root is a sense of steadiness than a fixation in the belonging.To value the depth of where you came from than to cling to your past in desperation and fear...


    Ali Anani
    16/11/2016 #12 Ali Anani
    #11 Thank you @Savvy Raj for the invitation to follow up on these brilliant discussions. I loved the quote of @Mohammed Sultan "" Change your opinions ,keep to your principals , change your leaves keep intact your roots". This quote is brilliant even though some trees may change the functions of their roots to allow them to store nutrients. I find these discussions highly illuminating and together with those more than 55 comments on my last buzz I find that both discussions are extremely rewarding. I wish we could compile the comments here and there to get a better perspective.
    Savvy Raj
    16/11/2016 #11 Savvy Raj
    #10 Interesting interpretation here.To each their own analogy of course . Change is part of the process of life I also invite @Ali Anani here .as I enjoyed reading his tree metaphors and musings .
    Mohammed Sultan
    08/11/2016 #10 Mohammed Sultan
    @ Savvy Raj.Victor Hugo quoted" Change your opinions ,keep to your principals , change your leaves keep intact your roots."
    Your quote then,with apology to Shaksepeare"Under the greenwood tree,who loves to dance with me."A lesson to big corporation to stick to their identities and also learn to dance with the giants.To set things right or return back to their roots.
    Savvy Raj
    08/11/2016 #9 Savvy Raj
    #7 @Chas WyattThank you my friend for the very thoughtful and relevant quote share as well your ever kind shares.
    Chas Wyatt
    08/11/2016 #8 Chas Wyatt
    "It has been said that trees are imperfect men, and seem to bemoan their imprisonment rooted in the ground. But they never seem so to me. I never saw a discontented tree. They grip the ground as though they liked it, and though fast rooted they travel about as far as we do. They go wandering forth in all directions with every wind, going and coming like ourselves, traveling with us around the sun two million miles a day, and through space heaven knows how fast and far!" ~John Muir, July 1890.
    Savvy Raj
    07/11/2016 #6 Savvy Raj
    #3 Our interpretations are a reflections of the strength of inner grounding.
    Savvy Raj
    07/11/2016 #5 Savvy Raj
    #4 Totally think likewise@ Deb Lange Thank you as well.
    Deb Lange
    07/11/2016 #4 Deb Lange
    Great descriptions of being grounded,not fixed! I see you are also a dancer. I do improvised play and movement - it seems we gave some similar interests! Great to connect.
    Mohammed A. Jawad
    07/11/2016 #3 Mohammed A. Jawad
    Rooted tree, like a firm bulwark, also symbolizes upright faith!
    Savvy Raj
    07/11/2016 #2 Savvy Raj
    #1 @Ali Anani Thank you for your kind words.
    Ali Anani
    07/11/2016 #1 Ali Anani
    A true measure of the strength in the grounding is in the process of creating transformations in and around us towards a sustainable future- love this quote from your buzz @Savvy Raj. You are very imaginative.
  16. Aurorasa Sima

    Aurorasa Sima

    Aurorasa Sima
    Insight Into the ‘Seat of Human Consciousness’
    stfi.re Summary: Researchers believe they may have pinpointed an area of the brain that plays a role in maintaining human consciousness.Source: Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.Study reveals a...


    Aurorasa Sima
    07/11/2016 #3 Aurorasa Sima
    #2 #1 Thank you for appreciating the share. I will check out the hive, Chas, sounds like my cup´o tea.
    Chas Wyatt
    06/11/2016 #2 Chas Wyatt
    @Aurorasa Sima, shared in "Conscious Excavations"; thank you.
    Sara Jacobovici
    06/11/2016 #1 Sara Jacobovici
    I appreciate the share @Aurorasa Sima. Very "thought provoking".
  17. ProducerChas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    "Universe"Just a bare quote that I will leave for human beings to ponder...  "A human being is part of the whole, called by us "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest...


    Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    07/11/2016 #9 Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    #8 If he saw the Muse of God in Science, he'd see it in Music too Chas! Read somewhere that he played violin and the keyboard very well!
    Chas Wyatt
    07/11/2016 #8 Chas Wyatt
    #6 @Praveen Raj Gullepalli, Einstein said if he hadn't been a scientist, he would've been a musician.
    Irene Hackett
    07/11/2016 #7 Anonymous
    "Our scientists need to have more than knowledge: they need to have wisdom as well. And wisdom I define as knowledge plus the awareness of its limitations." Viktor Frankl
    Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    07/11/2016 #6 Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    Amazing such a magnificent scientific mind should regard Compassion so high and so critical to breaking through that veil of ''Separation''! A feeling of being Separate is synonymous with Self awareness. For when you cease to feel that way, you lose the feeling of the Self as well! ...I share thus...

    When the rivers of my Thought flow into the ocean of my Feeling,
    I merge...and emerge Compassionate and Clear.
    Beyond the trappings of the self, a whole new world I did see;
    Consciousness without fear, soaring...now set free!
    David B. Grinberg
    06/11/2016 #5 David B. Grinberg
    Great quote, Chas! Definitely words for everyone to ponder and learn from.
    Ian Weinberg
    06/11/2016 #4 Ian Weinberg
    Sure says it all. Thanks for that Chas.
    debasish majumder
    06/11/2016 #3 debasish majumder
    lovely share @Chas Wyatt! thank you very much for the share.
    Irene Hackett
    06/11/2016 #2 Anonymous
    A great share from @Chas Wyatt. I invite all to widen their circle of compassion.
    Aurorasa Sima
    06/11/2016 #1 Aurorasa Sima
    @Milos Djukic
  18. ProducerIan Weinberg

    Ian Weinberg

    Thoughts under a May Full Moon
    Thoughts under a May Full MoonA celebration of life!You are all that you are, a child with a history not of your making. And so you enter the next moment of your life, warts and all – A moment that has never been lived before. For in that moment lies pure potential...


    Mohammed A. Jawad
    05/11/2016 #6 Mohammed A. Jawad
    Aha...a heartfelt poem in real jubilation!
    Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    05/11/2016 #5 Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    Yes are the times were running the man wolf and Dracula

    debasish majumder
    05/11/2016 #4 debasish majumder
    lovely insight @Ian Weinberg! enjoyed thank you very much for the wonderful share.
    Deb Helfrich
    05/11/2016 #3 Deb Helfrich
    Let's celebrate! "Then connect and sensitively feel that which you see in others, which exists also within you. [...] For this is where all healing begins."
    Julie Hickman
    05/11/2016 #2 Julie Hickman
    "Celebrate all that you have and all that has blessed your existence." - @Ian Weinberg
  19. ProducerSavvy Raj

    Savvy Raj

    Empathy: A Way Of Being
    Empathy: A Way Of Being Life with all its complexities and contrasts creates a necessity to chalk out ways to make young impressionable minds better equipped to handle its exigencies. Holistic education is so much about grounding in connectedness as much as it is about...


    Savvy Raj
    06/11/2016 #25 Savvy Raj
    #15 Totally think likewise @David Navarro López Must share this . Your words bring back an experience of sharing dance skills at a school of the visually impaired . which I have written about.. The title was...' Us beyond the Mine' . So I will be happy to share it here as well soon.. Your reflections are valuable here towards spreading the importance of empathy in our lives.
    Savvy Raj
    06/11/2016 #24 Savvy Raj
    #14 Exactly so ! Dear @Lisa Gallagher Appreciate your supportive reflections. Can certainly sense what you mention here.
    Savvy Raj
    06/11/2016 #23 Savvy Raj
    'When our hearts are filled with joy ,everything start to move,sing and dance."Yes indeed! To build a sense of inner contentment is to learn to value the interdependence in this interconnected world .
    Savvy Raj
    06/11/2016 #22 Savvy Raj
    #12 @Deb Helfrich
    I relate to what you are feeling here . To be all you can be, one need the freedom to move, to dance from the heart one needs to have the lightness of being .
    Holistic education that's inclusive yet helped by a structured approach can make a difference as I believe that the sense of inclusion and acceptance of anothers perspectives can help broaden the mind to move into envisioning the world in more humane ways
    Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    05/11/2016 #21 Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    Ja ja ja, thanks Mr David,

    I am like learning alone another lenguaje.

    También habló en alemán, porque he vivido en Germany.

    Ich wünsche dir einen wunderschönen Wochenende

    David Navarro López
    05/11/2016 #20 Anonymous
    #19 Si te es más cómodo, comenta en español, pero se te entiende todo. En cualquier caso, te encomio por tus esfuerzos de hacerlo en inglés.
    Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    05/11/2016 #19 Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    Hello Mr David,

    thanks very much to beautiful writing, I not know yes or not, can you understand my hmm bad inglés.

    I wish to you always blessing you even forever.

    From Spanien send you My positive energy.

    David Navarro López
    05/11/2016 #18 Anonymous
    #17 Absolutely Maria Teresa, the only way to feel blessed is to bless others
    Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    05/11/2016 #17 Maria Teresa Redondo Infantes
    Hello David,
    but you know the people not all have empathy to another people, plus David one person not are human one empathy and felling

    Lisa Gallagher
    05/11/2016 #16 Lisa Gallagher
    #15 I like your take on empathy @David Navarro López. "Being empathic is a must and the first step to build sane social relationships." Well said and so true!
    David Navarro López
    05/11/2016 #15 Anonymous
    Some might think that being empathic is an option. In my opinion, we can not forget that as human beings, we belong to a society, and thus it is not "me", it is "us". The individual is not going to achieve anything that would potentially much better be achieved in community. Anytime we go for egocentric options, the results are worse for the community, and ultimately, it reverts in worse for us as individuals. So being empathic is a must, and the first step to built sane social relationships.
    Lisa Gallagher
    05/11/2016 #14 Lisa Gallagher
    #3 @Savvy Raj, your right, dancing does stay in your blood for a lifetime. I have a few YouTube dance exercise videos I use for fun and exercise. I forget im exercising if the music moves my soul. Agree, maybe empathy should be a yearly requirement as part of the curriculum, even using things like role playing or reversals!
    Mohammed Sultan
    04/11/2016 #13 Mohammed Sultan
    Empathy is the service of love that stands the test of time.The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice .Empathy is the love that asks no questions, in which you give more and expect less.When our hearts are filled with joy ,everything start to move,sing and dance.Empathy is an easy and an ideal principle but difficult for some to practice.@ Savvy Raj, today's business practice is like walking a tight rope to keep balance companies must learn how to dance.
    Deb Helfrich
    04/11/2016 #12 Deb Helfrich
    @Savvy Raj - Such an interesting buzz. This brings up for me the damage we clearly do when we stop children from moving as they naturally should and stick them into seats and discipline them for moving. We cut off a major way they learn to handle their emotions and then we instill learning solely in the mind, when an engaged body is ripe for learning.

    Are we reducing empathy in our societies when we regiment kids? They focus solely on a teacher for large segments of the day, required to sit still, rather than interacting among themselves. And then we expect, after years of face forward education for young adults to arrive in the business world and participate in collective meetings.....

    We need to build so much more movement into our lives!
    Savvy Raj
    04/11/2016 #11 Savvy Raj
    #9 Nice to know this @Joel Anderson Anderson .Thank you as well.
    Savvy Raj
    04/11/2016 #10 Savvy Raj
    #8 @Chas Wyatt thank you for the kind mention and the sharing .Great to know of your interest in the sacred dances .
    Joel Anderson
    04/11/2016 #9 Joel Anderson
    Made me think of some nuggets of wisdom from www..positiveintelligence..com Thank you for a great buzz!
    Chas Wyatt
    04/11/2016 #8 Chas Wyatt
    We could all use a little more empathy. This reminds me of attending Sufi dance (Dances of Univeral Peace) classes back on the islands.
    Savvy Raj
    04/11/2016 #6 Savvy Raj
    #5 Deeply appreciate your thoughts @Irene Hackett . Yes indeed Social dancing and its applications have been a subject of deep interest .... when the pressures of performances to impress ,move beyond to explore the simple art of dance to express the perspectives shifts in scopes of dance outreach as there is truly so much more beyond the patterns of movement.
  20. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    Dear Prudence - Dana Fuchs, Evan Wood, Jim Sturgess and Joe Anderson {Lyrics}
    Dear Prudence - Dana Fuchs, Evan Wood, Jim Sturgess and Joe Anderson {Lyrics} The 11th Song in Across The...


    Chas Wyatt
    04/11/2016 #3 Chas Wyatt
    "For You If a thousand vultures fluttered down upon me on a thousand nights in 10000 different days and ways I commit to you that I will love... "~ Melissa Hefferman (There was more, but, I was unable to capture the rest of the text before it was deleted).
    Max Carter
    04/11/2016 #2 Max Carter
    Loved the movie. Great use of the songs with the story told.
    Chas Wyatt
    04/11/2016 #1 Chas Wyatt
    Thank you for leaving this, Melissa Hefferman.
  21. Chas Wyatt

    Chas Wyatt

    The Exodus From beBee~
    It saddens me to write this, but, many people are leaving, or have left beBee. I know there have been some disagreements between people, but, one that disheartens me the most is the departure of Melissa Hefferman whom I got to join beBee. I do not know what occurred, or her reasons for leaving, but, she has been one of my most valued connections whom I first connected with on LinkedIn. I have lost the URL to her web site- if someone could send it to me, I would appreciate it. I know she is also on Ello, if someone is connected to her on there. Disagreements occur, but, if we still respect others opinions, even if we disagree with them, it would be best.
    Chas Wyatt


    Chas Wyatt
    04/11/2016 #18 Chas Wyatt
    This is the canary in the coal mine. If we are not more tolerant of opposing viewpoints here, beBee will fail.
    Robert Bacal
    04/11/2016 #17 Robert Bacal
    #15 Don, my guess is that it's not about someone not being able to take the heat. It's about a toxic environment - enough (not many) people being obnoxiously threatening or outright crazy.

    It removes the major advantage Bebee has over LinkedIn - it's the FUN.

    It's NOT fun to read the same people writing the same things over and over.

    It's NOT fun to see open threats from ambassadors as I saw yesterday.

    It's NOT fun to see posts "revived" that I've seen already on Linkedin or on BeBee.

    It's NOT fun to see the same 15 people or so functioning as a mutual admiration society, and promoting each others posts ad naseum.

    Part of the problem has to do with a very small, in fact tiny number of active English speaking participants. Part of the problem is that the current active participants seem to have no filters, or much of substance to say, and keep repeating the same things. Just sayin.
    Phil Friedman
    04/11/2016 #16 Phil Friedman
    Chas, I am sorry that Melissa dropped off without explaining why. to you.

    I believe you can try to reach her via this link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/love-your-job-life-bryan-parsons View more
    Chas, I am sorry that Melissa dropped off without explaining why. to you.

    I believe you can try to reach her via this link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/love-your-job-life-bryan-parsons

    She also appears to still be a LinkedIn (Premium) Member at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissahefferman

    Hope this helps. Close
    Don Kerr
    04/11/2016 #15 Don Kerr
    I think it is about choice. I have been the recipient of some 'charming' comments. I have been cussed out when least expected. Maybe I deserved it. Maybe not. I choose to stick around and not succumb to anyone who might try to railroad me outta town. A good blocking function might help but the reality is that some folks are gonna stay while others leave. Not a whole lot different than what happens in the 3D world.
    Deb Helfrich
    04/11/2016 #14 Deb Helfrich
    #13 Unfortunately, Jim, this is not just a matter of life-getting-busy stuff. There are neighborhoods on beBee that are difficult to navigate.

    Beyond the departure of a few, it effects many who stay who see the questionable comments and conversations.

    I think it is part of the community function to discuss what would make valued members, who have expressed that they enjoy spending time on beBee, depart quickly . Most especially as I would like people to feel that there are intermediate options available before deleting their accounts

    There is no need to point fingers here. But what are we going to do as a community to make each and every person feel welcome?

    Everyone should feel that they can float around the hives and be welcomed until they find the niches that they want to frequent that fit their personalities and interests.
    Jim Murray
    03/11/2016 #13 Jim Murray
    Sorry your friend left, @Chas Wyatt. But this is a social media site. People will come and people will go because as much as we may like them, we don't know everything that's going on in their lives. As they say on TV, there's probably a logical explanation for this.
    Elizabeth Bailey
    03/11/2016 #12 Elizabeth Bailey
    I am very sorry to read this post and comments having only joined beBee this week. I do look forward to getting to know the community, once I find my way round ...
    David B. Grinberg
    03/11/2016 #11 David B. Grinberg
    Thanks for posting this, Chas. I just want to point out that users will always come and go. However, it's imperative for all bees, especially ambassadors, to be extra vigilant regarding their language on this site. beBee is a kind, courteous and welcoming social platform in which everyone should be engaged in constructive debate in an open dialougue -- albeit without insults, bullying, etc. I would also note beBee growth in the USA stands at over 145,000 users, which ranks in the Top 10 countries per people on beBee (#10). Let's accentuate the positive and "kill 'em with kindness" to coin a term. Thanks for considering this. @Javier beBee @Matt Sweetwood @Teresa Gezze @John White, MBA
    David Chappell
    03/11/2016 #10 David Chappell
    I have been noticing a downturn in the number of people. I thought it was just me. I hope that people will see the beBee is a great site and that they will return.
    Robert Bacal
    03/11/2016 #9 Robert Bacal
    One of the reasons I've cut back on Bebee (and there are several), is the constant negativity and conflict creation by a group of users who tend to hang together. It IS about the kind of environment I prefer. The English community is dominated by a group of people, not all of whom I'd invite to my home who spend a LOT of their days talking amongst themselves. Lots of private in-talk.

    I know of maybe three or four people who were gung ho, but left for similar reasons.

    I await a larger English language community where the nasty few don't stand out so much, and dominate my feed.
    Deb Helfrich
    03/11/2016 #7 Deb Helfrich
    I am talking with Melissa.

    I am also saddened and would like to encourage anyone having trouble to reach out. We are a community.
    Paul Walters
    03/11/2016 #6 Paul Walters
    @Chas Wyatt We could always collectively start a 'please come back Mellissa campaign"
    Paul Walters
    03/11/2016 #5 Paul Walters
    @Chas Wyatt Like anything. Best to ignore negative or toxic people...life as they say is far too short!
    Aurorasa Sima
    03/11/2016 #4 Aurorasa Sima
    I suggest to implement an auto-block function.

    In the case that a user is being reported by ... let´s say 5 users in a day his writing privileges should be restricted until an admin had a look if the person is engaging in a behaviour that is harmful to beBee and/or its users.

    The problem are not disagreements that two people chose to have but single people running wild. As seen today.

    The last comment I read from Melissa started with "I´m done", I think @Praveen Raj Gullepalli is referring to the same threat.

    Forgiving is great. But creating a non-hostile environment might require additional steps. Sadly, we currently sometimes make reddit look like a polite place.
    Irene Hackett
    03/11/2016 #3 Anonymous
    #2 I think it is more about the kind of environment one chooses to spend their time in. Inclusive and forgiving is a good start.
    Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    03/11/2016 #2 Praveen Raj Gullepalli
    Chas, that is indeed disheartening! I have noticed a lot of insensitive comments in certain hives the past few days...even name calling. All just to make a point of two...some even to deliberately insult. But we are a forgiving bunch from what I have seen! Beats me why Melissa left us though! Hope we succeed in reconnecting with her on beBee.
    Irene Hackett
    03/11/2016 #1 Anonymous
    I am quite disheartened by some disparaging comments written by ambassadors of late as well. It has me rethinking SM once again. I surely hope you get back in touch with our dear Melissa - she is a beautiful soul! ❤️
  22. ProducerIgnacio Gallo Campos
    That thing you’d die for
    That thing you’d die forSee @ LinkedinAnd this is not about your love, your mum, dad, friend, son or daughter. That’s easy to feel and think about.This is about you, what is that something inside you that burns when it comes to your mind, to your stomach.Well if you don’t...


    Ignacio Gallo Campos
    26/11/2016 #17 Ignacio Gallo Campos
    Proud to say, the post has been the most liked of the week @ The Economist readers group in Linkedin
    Ignacio Gallo Campos
    03/11/2016 #16 Ignacio Gallo Campos
    #11 thank you @Debashish Mayumder
    Ignacio Gallo Campos
    03/11/2016 #15 Ignacio Gallo Campos
    #12 Thank you @Sharon Fulgenzi
    Ignacio Gallo Campos
    03/11/2016 #14 Ignacio Gallo Campos
    #10 @Javier beBee its a pleasure to take part in such an interesting site as you guys are helping to grow. Count on me, if anytime there is a key note opportunity
    Sharon Fulgenzi
    03/11/2016 #12 Sharon Fulgenzi
    Excellent! Life should be a wonderful journey of always learning and striving for more...for change for the better. Thanks for sharing. This was excellent to read and a great reminder.
    debasish majumder
    03/11/2016 #11 debasish majumder
    nice insight! enjoyed read. thank you @Ignacio Gallo Campos for the lovely share.
    Javier beBee
    03/11/2016 #10 Javier beBee
    @Ignacio Gallo Campos thanks for sharing your great articles on beBee !
    Cepee Tabibian
    03/11/2016 #9 Cepee Tabibian
    Wow! That was powerful @Ignacio Alvarez Fernandez. Thank you for this.
    Ignacio Gallo Campos
    03/11/2016 #8 Ignacio Gallo Campos
    #5 Good one @Chas Watt
    Chas Wyatt
    03/11/2016 #5 Chas Wyatt
    "The important thing is this: to be able at any moment to sacrifice that which we are for what we could become." ~Charles Du Bos, Approximations, 1922, translated from French.
    Ignacio Gallo Campos
    02/11/2016 #3 Ignacio Gallo Campos
    #2 Thank you @Deb Helfrich keep rocking
    Deb Helfrich
    02/11/2016 #2 Deb Helfrich
    "This is about you, what is that something inside you that burns when it comes to your mind, to your stomach."

    We do need a purpose, @Ignacio Gallo Campos, if we have any chance of not getting caught up in the administrivia of life.

    I am a thinker and I am thankful for this prompt to focus on just doing, life is ours to live.
    Paul Frank Gilbert
    02/11/2016 #1 Paul Frank Gilbert
    NOW. If you live this moment the coming moments will all be there based on the foundation of your living NOW. Do. Be. Experience. LIVE .. NOW.
  23. ProducerAli Anani

    Ali Anani

    Raining Miseries
    Raining MiseriesToday I "celebrate" being ill at home for the last two weeks. It all started with falling and having six teeth removed. Like the Arab poet who said I went through very dry periods I prayed so that the sky would rain and wet my miseries. It...


    Ali Anani
    03/11/2016 #59 Ali Anani
    #57 Dear @Fatima Williams- it is a nourishment to the heart and mind to read your comments.
    You know first you inspire me with the idea of establishing a hive calles "Quotes on beBee". I wonder if @Javier beBee would find it relevant. SO many people have written so great comments on beBee and unfortunately they are scattered. Your comment, @Sara Jacobovici and @Praveen Raj Gullepalli are just few examples of what you commented on beBee recently. I am going to stay experience fit and credit to to all my lovely beBees
    Learning + growing + self-renewing
    = Living ( A fantabulous formula)
    #beBeesforever and what a great hashtag and formula you have developed. Yes, beBee deserves to have all such great comments in one place.
    You have been a great contributor to ideas dear Fatima and the WPD is just another example of your valuable contributions. Honestly, your comment energized me more than you would ever think.
    Fatima Williams
    03/11/2016 #58 Fatima Williams
    I am happy to hear the golden words " I am much better now" .@@Ali Anani

    I am so glad and fortunate to have this cup of experiences being handled over to me each day by you @Ali Anani and many lovely bees. I take a sip each day and gain from the nourishment of knowledge I receive from other's experiences.
    Experience is the mother of all Knowledge intake. Its better than the classes taught at school. Imagining to be able to have an experience similar to what I read and to avoid the pitfalls from that experience. That is going to pave a long way for me to turn my experiences into a very fruitful one and inturn share mine with others to turn this world into a lovely place where one doesnt say " Let him experience it only then he know ; I''d rather say this was my experience take care with yours.

    I am going to stay experience fit and credit to to all my lovely beBees
    Learning + growing + self-renewing
    = Living ( A fantabulous formula)
    #beBeesforever 🤗🤗
    Ali Anani
    03/11/2016 #55 Ali Anani
    #54 You know I consider you as my sister dear @Irene Hackett. My value here is linked to my valuable connections such as you and many bees who enriched my mind and heart. No question I am truly blessed with people like you around. This feeling is indescribable by numbers. It is like trying to count the number of molecules in a human body. At these times I find such warm words my real healing and I am indebted to you and all bees who made my healing a smooth process.
    Irene Hackett
    03/11/2016 #54 Anonymous
    Dear brother @Ali Anani - I don't know how I missed this yesterday. Please know my thoughts and prayers are always with you. There is no number that can define you or your value; it is the core from which the warmth that emanates from every word you write where your power lies. Be blessed and be well ❤️
    Javier beBee
    03/11/2016 #53 Javier beBee
    @Ali Anani that news make me happy ! have a great day !
    Ali Anani
    03/11/2016 #52 Ali Anani
    #49 Thank you dear @Javier beBee. I am much better now.
    Ali Anani
    03/11/2016 #51 Ali Anani
    #42 Reading this comment of yours dear @Lisa Gallagher made me feel better. How deep is your writing aging is a process is beyond description. It is up to us to enhance this process.
    Lisa Gallagher
    03/11/2016 #50 Lisa Gallagher
    #48 @karen anne Kramer are you always this rude? Your comments that you've managed to spam all over others buzzes throughout afternoon into late night are completely unecessary and uncalled for. No one has been rude to you!
    Javier beBee
    03/11/2016 #49 Javier beBee
    @Ali Anani best wishes from beBee team
    Lisa Gallagher
    03/11/2016 #42 Lisa Gallagher
    I hope you are feeling better very soon @Ali Anani. Aging sure is a process... there are days I think, "Hey, I've got this," other days, "Wait a sec, it seems like I was only 29 yesterday." Time flies fast and I think faster the older we grow. Doing what we love if possible and yes, never stop learning helps a lot. Let us know when you are better, please! Sending good thoughts.
    Sara Jacobovici
    03/11/2016 #41 Sara Jacobovici
    #35 Thanks for your generous words @Karen Anne Kramer ~ CNN Women Leaders 2015. Sending you lots of positive and healing energy!
    Sara Jacobovici
    03/11/2016 #36 Sara Jacobovici
    #30 What a great perspective @Ali Anani; how do we experience the changes in environmental conditions as we move through the different altitudes? Over the course of a relatively short space of time and place, we are challenged to adapt to this diversity. Here we are looking at a vertical movement in our external environment; from below to above. But the experience being discussed by your buzz Dr. Ali is a movement within ourselves, our internal environment, over the course of an event, but as it occurred over time; our aging process.

    I know this is a “stretch” but I think there is a link between attitude; how we face our experiences, events in our lives and our "getting older", and altitude.

    "Attitude origin 1660s, via French attitude (17c.), from Italian attitudine "disposition, postureOriginally 17c. a technical term in art for the posture of a figure in a statue or painting; later generalized to "a posture of the body supposed to imply some mental state" (1725). Sense of "settled behavior reflecting feeling or opinion" is first recorded 1837. Connotations of "antagonistic and uncooperative" developed by 1962 in slang.

    Altitude originlate 14c., from Latin altitudinem (nominative altitudo) "height, altitude," from altus "high"."

    Please note attitude came about 200 years after altitude.

    I think this is why success can't be measured simply by the "height" of the position attained, but needs to reflect the individuals' "attitudes" while getting there.
    Ali Anani
    03/11/2016 #32 Ali Anani
    Exactly @Deb Helfrich- we may not be physically fit or even mentally fit occasionally such as by illness, but still these are experiences and we should grab them.
    Deb Helfrich
    03/11/2016 #31 Deb Helfrich
    We need to stay "experience fit" - what an apt and important way to put it. Enjoying the journey is something that matters to everyone, and it can be practiced regardless of fitness levels.
    Ali Anani
    02/11/2016 #30 Ali Anani
    #28 Dear @Keith Bare- you remind me of a trip to the Rocky Mountains when it was very humid in Boulder. Four of us used the Winter Drive to reach the top of the mountain forgetting that as we go higher, it gets colder. When we arrived there we rushed to buy hot drinks and blankets. Some economies are the same- the higher they get, the colder the economy gets. People tend to forget that it is cold at the top no matter how hot the elections are at the valley. If we only could remember basic facts. Thank you for contributing a soul-enriching comment.
    Ali Anani
    02/11/2016 #29 Ali Anani
    #23 My dear friend @David B. Grinberg- your comment adds to my determination o write my second buzz on Nuggets of Wisdom. This comment shall have its place as it is full with wisdom. Yes, some people fall in the comfort of past glories. This is a comfort zone that has been rarely discussed and you bring a hugely valuable point that warrants searching into. Much obliged to your kind feelings.
    Keith Bare
    02/11/2016 #28 Keith Bare
    Your post says it all, making lemonade from lemons.....attitude is everything!! As I was driving through DRY ARID Boulder in a TShirt with temps about 30 degrees above normal and drought fire levels at dangerous levels, noticing the ridiculous building frenzy of an economy out of control, and seeing the building cranes everywhere, a post about HEALTH and Happiness brings real life reality into an over worried election worried world........Choose Happiness if you can!!! Hope you heal quickly!
    Ali Anani
    02/11/2016 #27 Ali Anani
    #22 You are a wise man dear @Mohammed Sultan. Even wiser than ever I thought. Your comment is a nugget of wisdom and provides a lovely formula to living a meaningful life. Greatly appreciated
    Ali Anani
    02/11/2016 #26 Ali Anani
    #20 Dear friend @Harvey Lloyd- I love concise statements and reverse thinking. Therefore, I am in love with your writing "I am more "Ready" "Aim" "Fire instead of "Fire" "Ready" "Aim". I am ready for life and aim to fire my doubts. Thank you for your great feelings.
    Ali Anani
    02/11/2016 #25 Ali Anani
    #24 I love your comment my dear friend @Jean L. Serio, CPC, CMC. It says all what I wished to communicate. You encapsulated my feelings and attitudes so well. I feel much better now reading your comment. Difficult times may tell who is a good friend and you are
  24. Fatima Williams

    Fatima Williams

    I watched this TED Talk and thought you would find it interesting. A very inspiring personality with something great to give away with every message of his !

    Isaac Lidsky: What reality are you creating for yourself?

    Live your lives wide open!

    Your fear , Your critics Your heroes Your villians They are your excuses, your rationalisations, your shortcuts your justifications Your surrender.
    They are Fictions your perceive as reality

    Choose to see through them;Choose to let them go
    You are the creator of your reality !
    With that empowerment comes complete responsibility !
    Fatima Williams
    Isaac Lidsky: What reality are you creating for yourself? | TED Talk | TED.com
    go.ted.com Reality isn't something you perceive; it's something you create in your mind. Isaac Lidsky learned this profound lesson firsthand, when unexpected life circumstances yielded valuable insights. In this introspective, personal talk, he challenges us...


    Fatima Williams
    23/11/2016 #18 Fatima Williams
    #17 Thnak You Mr Manjit Its very true what you about ability. A reality that we have to open our eyes to ; we have to Choose to see through them; Ability is what we should be focusing on.
    CityVP Manjit
    23/11/2016 #17 CityVP Manjit
    Have commented about Isaac Lidsky on the hive that linked to this @ https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/paradise-vs-parasite View more
    Have commented about Isaac Lidsky on the hive that linked to this @ https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/paradise-vs-parasite Comment 3. Close
    Fatima Williams
    01/11/2016 #16 Fatima Williams
    #15 Thank you @Chas Wyatt
    Chas Wyatt
    01/11/2016 #15 Chas Wyatt
    @Fatima Williams, what a wonderful talk. Thank you for sharing. I am also sharing it in the hive, "Conscious Excavations".
    Lisa Gallagher
    01/11/2016 #14 Lisa Gallagher
    Excellent TED Talk. Isaac touched on realities that many of us may be somewhat aware of but can push it to the back of our brains and ignore. Fear can be a motivator or an isolator. A lot to take in... I loved his description of walking towards a hill with a backpack on. Perception can be skewed.
    Fatima Williams
    31/10/2016 #13 Fatima Williams
    #9 @Deb Helfrich Intervention becomes inevitable as Sara mentioned. This speech has been on my mind the whole day and Sara thoughts had added more flavour to the entire concept . @Sara Jacobovici this variation , this unique finger print is not realised in our current world. Every one thinks if one person can''t do it neither can I or if one does something why cant I ? If she doesn't wish vote why should I and so on. Even children are all forced to think like alike so is our system.

    To me !
    Silencing our internal critic, correcting our misconceptions and harnessing our internal strength require great determination and self-empowerment . The body-mind feedback , control-loop and self empowerment forms a triad here for reality check. This responsibility of keeping this triad alive is the biggest question to myself ! And questions are endless !
    Sara Jacobovici
    31/10/2016 #12 Sara Jacobovici
    #9 "All humans are 99.9 per cent identical and, of that tiny 0.1 per cent difference, 94 per cent of the variation is among individuals from the same populations and only six per cent between individuals from different populations." Yet we each have our own fingerprint. Intervention always matters. Predictability is, again, only a certain percentage, but that 0.1 percent makes all the difference. Keeps things interesting.
    Irene Hackett
    31/10/2016 #11 Anonymous
    What a great share - it seems to be touching on a lot of the buzz discussions of recent weeks. I agree - a must see!
    Deb Helfrich
    31/10/2016 #10 Deb Helfrich
    #7 @Fatima Williams - makes the phrase 'reality check' take on a new depth of meaning....
    Deb Helfrich
    31/10/2016 #9 Deb Helfrich
    #6 Well, it strongly reinforces your belief that therapy has to be tailored individually. Even twins would have unique realities.

    I am just really curious these days about the 'tension' between the concept that we are all utterly unique and yet we are operating the same basic equipment. Which is exactly the same conundrum as the body mind feedback & control loop. Does the point of 'intervention' matter? Or will a change in any part of the continuum resonate through an individual's entire system?

    Isaac's skills as a speaker are still resonating with me!
    Fatima Williams
    31/10/2016 #8 Fatima Williams
    cc@CityVP Manjit & @Anees Zaidi I'm sure you both will enjoy this one too !
    Fatima Williams
    31/10/2016 #7 Fatima Williams
    #6 So true @Sara Jacobovici I even had myself asking the same questions. Is this reality we have created for us or were they created based on the assumptions/fear etc ? It is indeed an eye opener for me as well. We are the creators of our reality and I'm glad you were inspired.
    Sara Jacobovici
    31/10/2016 #6 Sara Jacobovici
    Thank you so much for tagging me @Fatima Williams. A most impressive and inspiring talk. On many levels it reinforced my perception but, thanks to your opportunity for me to hear this presentation, it "opened my eyes" to an important and for me, unspoken factor; if we create our realities, then the universe is made up of billions of realities. Is there "a" reality, universal in nature, to which we can compare and be able to say; see, your living a lie, in reality...? How do we know what we have created is not real, is not true? What reality are we tapping into? It's still very raw for me, this idea, so I can't yet communicate it properly but am excited at exploring this further. Thanks again Fatima.
    Ali Anani
    31/10/2016 #5 Ali Anani
    #4 This is a beautiful talk dear @Fatima Williams. I agree as much as I enjoyed this talk. I wrote a presentation on "Thorny Assumptions", which blur our insight and reality. Same with fear. I encourage all to watch this video.
    Fatima Williams
    31/10/2016 #4 Fatima Williams
    CC @Ali Anani @Sara Jacobovici @Anees Zaidi incase you missed this lovely inspiring ted talk by Isaac 'Lidsky. I remember us discussing fear extensively in one of Dr @Ali Anani's Buzzes and this one adds more value to my thoughts on fear.
    Fatima Williams
    31/10/2016 #3 Fatima Williams
    #1 #1 Your most welcome @Deb Helfrich He is pretty inspiring. I was wowed !
    Deb Helfrich
    30/10/2016 #1 Deb Helfrich
    Standing ovation!!! This is a must watch 12 minutes!!! And I am only half way through....

    Thanks, @Fatima Williams!!!
  25. ProducerMamen Delgado

    Mamen Delgado

    No tiene alma // It has no soul (Español & English)
    No tiene alma // It has no soul (Español & English)Obra de Anke Merzbach ALMA. Del latín “anima”.1. f. Principio que da forma y organiza el dinamismo vegetativo, sensitivo e intelectual de la vida.2. f. En algunas religiones y culturas, sustancia espiritual e inmortal de los seres humanos.3. f. Vida...


    Irene Hackett
    05/11/2016 #52 Anonymous
    #51 The feelings are mutual my friend!! :-)
    Mamen Delgado
    05/11/2016 #51 Mamen Delgado
    #49 YES!!! Although I still write my Producers on both languages, probably in the future it won't be necessary. And the best also will be to be able to translate the comments in situ, so the interaction will expand. So nice we found each others... Grateful!! 🌎 💞
    Irene Hackett
    05/11/2016 #50 Anonymous
    I meant that of course, to be plural, community members!
    Irene Hackett
    05/11/2016 #49 Anonymous
    #48 You are kind dear @Mamen Delgado, thank you! And the translation feature is HUGE - really, it is absolutely the best - to be able to communicate this way with our outstanding community member ACROSS THE GLOBE!!!!
    Mamen Delgado
    05/11/2016 #48 Mamen Delgado
    #38 I do feel you already do put your soul @Irene Hackett on everything you do!!
    Thanks for the idea about the translation!! Very soon we'll have the translation feature on beBee. Looking forward to it!! 👏👏
    Lisa Gallagher
    05/11/2016 #47 Lisa Gallagher
    #46 Thanks Deb!
    Deb Helfrich
    05/11/2016 #46 Deb Helfrich
    #45 Open any of the non-English buttons in a new window. (or close them all down if you have a lot open right now) It is a little icon of two squares to the left of the favorite star in the URL box
    Lisa Gallagher
    05/11/2016 #45 Lisa Gallagher
    #41 how did you get it @Deb Helfrich, update or an extension?
    Deb Helfrich
    05/11/2016 #44 Deb Helfrich
    #43 It feels like Christmas!
    Irene Hackett
    05/11/2016 #43 Anonymous
    #42 Oh gosh, I feel like a kid in a candy shop!! :-) Thanks @Deb Helfrich for feeding me Portuguese and French buzzes!
    Deb Helfrich
    05/11/2016 #42 Deb Helfrich
    #40 This is marvelous, I just sent a Portuguese and French buzz into your feed! @Irene Hackett there are some great buzzes outside of English!
    Deb Helfrich
    05/11/2016 #41 Deb Helfrich
    #38 I got the translate button on Chrome!!!!!!
    Irene Hackett
    05/11/2016 #40 Anonymous
    @Deb Helfrich - it must be my google chrome?? When I go to a non-english buzz, a box appears in the top right-hand, corner that says: Would you like to translate this page?" It is AWESOME!! Now I can read SO many other bee's content YAY!!!
    Deb Helfrich
    05/11/2016 #39 Deb Helfrich
    #38 WHAT?!?!? Tell me more...which browser?
    Irene Hackett
    05/11/2016 #38 Anonymous
    Truly superb - I just realized I can choose the 'do you want to translate?' button! How did I not know about that?? Imagine, this is the first buzz I am using this fantastic feature with - I sense a bit of synchronicity here! Dearest @Mamen Delgado , I shall do my best to put some soul into everything I do! Thank you for the reminder and for writing this lovely buzz!
    Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD
    04/11/2016 #36 Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD
    I'm definitely in on this, too and great post!
    Josefina Ruiz
    04/11/2016 #35 Josefina Ruiz
    #30 Víctor Eres Un Gran Maestro y Tu Proyecto Saldrá A La Luz No Dejando A Nadie Indiferente.
    Ya Lo Verás!
    Josefina Ruiz
    04/11/2016 #34 Josefina Ruiz
    #33 Se Intentará Mamen.
    Que No Te Quepa Duda Porque Por Intentarlo No Se Pierde Nada.
    Mamen Delgado
    04/11/2016 #33 Mamen Delgado
    #32 A por ello @Josefina Ruiz!! 👏
    Josefina Ruiz
    04/11/2016 #32 Josefina Ruiz
    Se Puede Intentar.
    Por Qué No?
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