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Deleting This Hive

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I am in the process of deleting a hive after being accused of an intentional trademark and copyright violation, neither of which was true. Since the original hive name included a word that has been trademarked as a LinkedIn group name, and not as a beBee name, beBee staff did not ever ask me to delete this hive.
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  1. Charles David Upchurch
    The though ocurred to me that many of "The UNfluencers" group on LinkedIn are now on beBee. So, is there an UNfluencer Bees hive, yet? Here's an article about UNfluencers and UNfluencing, by PR expert and Forbes contributor @Cheryl Snapp Conner. http://www.forbes.com/sites/cherylsnappconner/2015/12/05/introverts-do-it-best-how-to-exercise-unfluence-for-greater-success-in-pr/#19c7811f5944 Charles David Upchurch
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    Gerald Hecht
    12/09/2016 #80 Gerald Hecht
    #79 @Charles David Upchurch okay... I think the events of the last two weeks make the whole thing seem like a tempest in a teacup... It's funny how quickly one's perspective can be rearranged; as long as a mutually acceptable resolution has been reached; that's the important thing
    Charles David Upchurch
    12/09/2016 #79 Charles David Upchurch
    #78 Hi, Gerry. I think the tensions have been fully addressed, at this point.

    For my part, I was just wrapping up the conversation with that amplified comment/explanation. No hard feelings, here.

    I made a well-intentioned mistake, then I listened fully to members of the beBee and LinkedIn UNfluencers (TM, Jeff and Deb) communities, even jumping over to LinkedIn to contact Jeff and Debesh who were not yet aware of my request via beBee directly. I received the feedback and responsibly addressed my mistake.
    Done deal.

    The lesson for NewBees?

    If ANYTHING has been copyrighted or trademarked by somebody else, don't reuse it on beBee without the owner's PRIOR permission.
    Gerald Hecht
    12/09/2016 #78 Gerald Hecht
    #76 @Charles David Upchurch @Phil Friedman @Milos Djukic I don't think that have dementia of any sort, but this topic and the "nerves it's poking"...is creating a palpable tension and today it feels like it's taken a turn that "ticked a second off the doomsday clock"; I don't know; "something is happening here and I think I know what it is, and Shirley, I'm not Mr. Jones"...
    Milos Djukic
    12/09/2016 #77 Anonymous
    #76 Thanks @Charles David Upchurch. Best Regards, Milos
    Charles David Upchurch
    12/09/2016 #76 Charles David Upchurch
    For any latecomers to these comments, please let me amplify comment #65... After receiving lots of feedback on beBee, I used LinkedIn INmail to contact Jeff and Debesh. They agreed with some of the beBee commenters that The Unfluencers group (TM, Jeff and Debesh) is LinkedIN specific, and probably would not translate well to beBee. [I deleted that "UNfluencer Bees" hive.]
    My own interpretation of this difference at beBee is that on LinkedIn, you have individual members, then you have group members who have been accepted into groups, which can have group-only conversations, and some of these groups are "closed" meaning that membership in (and visibility to) these groups is based on invitation/acceptance. On beBee, where the focus is on expressed interest/affinity, rather than being members of sub-groups, all hives are open to anyone who wants to join. Just because someone is interested in a hive, and hits "join" to become a "member" of that hive, does not mean that that person has been invited to that hive, or even that anyone else in that hive knows who that person is.
    In the near future, I understand that hive administrators may be able to block comments from non-members, or from members who do not follow that hive's guidelines, but I think hive membership will remain open.
    Paul "Pablo" Croubalian
    24/08/2016 #74 Paul "Pablo" Croubalian
    I doubt that you set out to swipe the trademark, @Charles David Upchurch. I also doubt that @Jeffrey Strickland would take offense. Two points: 1 - I see this as more a tribute to the UNfluencer concept than a trademark infringement. To me, the entire hive structure should conform to the Unfluencer values as set out by Jeff. 2- You are wise to delete the hive that uses the Unfluencer name. Not only due to its trademark but simply due to the fact that it refers to another time on another platform. Let's not make this into more than it is.
    Gerald Hecht
    24/08/2016 #73 Gerald Hecht
    #72 @Charles David Upchurch , lol, thank you so much!
    Charles David Upchurch
    24/08/2016 #72 Charles David Upchurch
    #71 Here's the link: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@charles-david-upchurch/whose-words-are-these BTW, I DO see the irony of my own small trademark violation, here, as compared to me writing about copyright and plagiarism issues. "Please bee patient, I'm still a work in progress." Copyright 2016, Charles David Upchurch
    Gerald Hecht
    24/08/2016 #71 Gerald Hecht
    #70 @Charles David Upchurch I'm interested!
    Charles David Upchurch
    24/08/2016 #70 Charles David Upchurch
    True. Trademarks, Service Marks, and Copyright ARE all confusing. Perhaps my article "Whose Words ARE These?" might simplify part of that for anyone interested.
    Gerald Hecht
    24/08/2016 #69 Gerald Hecht
    #68 @Charles David Upchurch That's why I deferred to @Phil Friedman because both you and he understand those things; I've tried, and I'm going to add this to a collection of documents I have from Phil regarding these things; alas, I still find it confusing. I will study. Thank you for taking the time to post that!
    Charles David Upchurch
    24/08/2016 #68 Charles David Upchurch
    #66 @Gerald Hecht the issue was a protected trademark, not a copyright violation. Per the US Patent Office website www.uspto.gov : "Patents protect inventions, and improvements to existing inventions.

    Trademarks include any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. Service marks include any word, name, symbol, device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce, to identify and distinguish the services of one provider from services provided by others, and to indicate the source of the services.

    Copyrights protect literary, artistic, and musical works. For general information, publications and other copyright related topics, you may visit their Web site at http://www.copyright.gov . Copyrights information can be obtained from the U.S. Copyright Office, Library of Congress, Washington, DC 20559 or you may call 202 707-3000 or 202 707-6737 (TTY)."
    Charles David Upchurch
    24/08/2016 #67 Charles David Upchurch
    #63 Yes, @Phil Friedman I was over-enthusiastic, and established a hive with a name that was trademarked elsewhere. I have deleted that hive, and I will check the names of the other hives I established earlier, to ensure that none of the other hive titles were trademarked. I'm sure you know this, Phil, but for anyone else reading this...Common words cannot be trademarked except in a competitive context, so using common words which have been used elsewhere, even if they have been previously trademarked, is legitimate if the use of those common words is not in competition with or harmful to the original business use of the trademarked text. "The UNfluencers" was NOT a common word, and a beBee hive COULD be seen as indirect competition with a LinkedIn group. I
    Gerald Hecht
    24/08/2016 #66 Gerald Hecht
    #65 @Charles David Upchurch that sounds reasonable to me; I just didn't know what the copyright holder thought about it; if the copyright holder is cool with it; then it's cool (IMHO). I was just unaware of an opinion was voiced one way or another
    Charles David Upchurch
    24/08/2016 #65 Charles David Upchurch
    Update on this for @Milos Djukic @John White, MBA @Paul "Pablo" Croubalian, @Phil Friedman @Gerald Hecht @Dean Owen and anyone else who read this post (there were at least 13 bees who thought it was relevant, at least)... I used LinkedIn INmail to contact Jeff and Debesh. They agreed that The Unfluencers (TM, Jeff and Debesh) is LinkedIN specific, and probably would not translate well to beBee. My own interpretation of this difference is that on LinkedIn, you have individual members, then you have group members who have been accepted into groups, which can have group-only conversations, and some of these groups are "closed" meaning that membership in these groups is based on invitation/acceptance. On beBee, where the focus is on expressed interest/affinity, rather than being members of sub-groups, just because someone is interested in a hive, and therefore a "member" of that hive, does not mean that that person has been invited to that hive, or even that anyone else in that hive knows who that person is.
    Phil Friedman
    23/08/2016 #63 Phil Friedman
    #55 @Charles David Upchurch - For the record, David, I personally regret that you may have taken my comment(s) in this way. Certainly, I did not mean them in that vein, nor did, I think, anyone else. I was only making an observation concerning what I perceived as an over-enthusiastic step that was taken, perhaps, without full consideration of the import. And unless you have received some communication of which I am not aware, I recommend that you relax, have a beer on me, and just send me the tab. :-)
    Gerald Hecht
    23/08/2016 #62 Gerald Hecht
    #58 @Milos Djukic That is just as valid; I'm not "taking sides" --in fact, I'm sick of taking sides. Personally, I would take your "open source" approach. At the same time, there exists (a whole @Phil Friedman View more
    #58 @Milos Djukic That is just as valid; I'm not "taking sides" --in fact, I'm sick of taking sides. Personally, I would take your "open source" approach. At the same time, there exists (a whole @Phil Friedman is the expert on this) an entire field that allows for copyrights and patents, etc. for those who can endure the tortuous process of securing them. Albert Einstein worked in an office when he wrote his "open source" relatively papers. His job in this office was to make sure nobody was violating "closed source" law. You know this...this is not about taking sides. The group name is legally protected by copyright law. Close
    Gerald Hecht
    23/08/2016 #61 Gerald Hecht
    #56 @Charles David Upchurch It is not a personal criticism. The Trademark status of the UNfluencer group is true; it exists. It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with it. It's a "rule of law thingie".
    Gerald Hecht
    23/08/2016 #60 Gerald Hecht
    #48 @John White, MBA exactly. This is the a priori state of play. There is nothing to debate here.