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  1. ProducerJoel Savage

    Joel Savage

    12/09/2016
    THE AIDS AND EBOLA INTERVIEW: DUTCH SCIENTIST, JOHAN VAN DONGEN SPEAKS ABOUT AMERICA'S LACK OF INTEGRITY AND HOW AFRICAN LEADERS HAVE DISAPPOINTED AFRICANS
    THE AIDS AND EBOLA INTERVIEW: DUTCH SCIENTIST, JOHAN VAN DONGEN SPEAKS ABOUT AMERICA'S LACK OF INTEGRITY AND HOW AFRICAN LEADERS HAVE DISAPPOINTED AFRICANSHolland scientist and micro-surgeon Johan Van Dongen Joel: You are a medical scientist and micro-surgeon.  After 4 decades and two years research, you discovered that Aids and Ebola were bio-weapons against mankind by certain European countries...
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    Joel Savage
    21/09/2016 #19 Joel Savage
    #17 #17 Hello, Charles, I am very sorry for the late response. You requested for the articles of Sussane Posel and Yoichi Shimatsu, please these are the links: https://lockerdome.com/occupycorporatism.com/7915304785286420 View more
    #17 #17 Hello, Charles, I am very sorry for the late response. You requested for the articles of Sussane Posel and Yoichi Shimatsu, please these are the links: https://lockerdome.com/occupycorporatism.com/7915304785286420
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    Charles David Upchurch
    18/09/2016 #18 Charles David Upchurch
    #10 @Joel Savage, I agree with you that this was not "a horrible topic," as @Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD stated. Mags, did you mean "an horrific topic?" If the proposed theory turns out to be supported by evidence, then it would be a truly horrific thing for the human species, if we were really doing that to one another on purpose.

    And Joel, Margaret actually complimented your writing more than I would have done. She said "Fine journalist-quality piece."
    Charles David Upchurch
    18/09/2016 #17 Charles David Upchurch
    #13 @Joel Savage, please direct me to a source (or two) for articles on this subject by the two writers that you mentioned, Susanne Posel and Yoichi Shimatsu.
    Charles David Upchurch
    18/09/2016 #16 Charles David Upchurch
    @Joel Savage ...

    You commented "I respect everyone's opinion but I can't call that scientist a liar."

    I did not call the Dutch scientist a liar. No did I suggest that you should call him a liar. I am not doing so.

    I also was not questioning whether you reported both sides of your interview completely and accurately. For the purposes of my comments, I am assuming that this interview happened very much the way you reported it.

    It IS possible that the Dutch Scientist is simply making up a story, and stringing you along, for whatever his personal reasons. Whether that would be creative or outright lying is up to him to argue, and up his audience to believe what they will.

    It is also possible that he totally believed what he was saying, which would indicate that he was not lying. That doesn't mean he was telling the truth, only that he was not lying.

    A separate issue is whether or not Dutch medical scientist and micro-surgeon Johan Van Dongen's conspiracy theory is inadequately supported by the evidence. Personally, I believe that he has proposed an extremely unlikely hypothesis. I appreciate that your interview mentions other scientists who have proposed similar theories, so that people who are interested can did deeper for the whole truth.
    Joel Savage
    18/09/2016 #13 Joel Savage
    I don't think I have published anything inflammatory and accusatory Mr. @Charles David Upchurch . I am not the first journalist and will not the last to publish that Aids and Ebola were biological weapons. Many writers have written before me, so before you call my article inflammatory read my interview again and challenge the two writers Susanne Posel and Yoichi Shimatsu before me. That will be very great of you.
    Joel Savage
    18/09/2016 #11 Joel Savage
    #8 That's okay Mr. @Charles David Upchurch. I really thank you for the explanation. Well, understood. Thank you.
    Joel Savage
    18/09/2016 #10 Joel Savage
    #1 That's not a horrible topic. I am a writer and I posted an interview I made with someone. I haven't killed anyone and haven't committed any crime. Just as you happy about what you write the same I am happy about what I write. Just as said I respect the opinion of every writer on this platform but while giving comments we need to choose our words carefully.
    Charles David Upchurch
    18/09/2016 #9 Charles David Upchurch
    #7 By the way, I agree with the general thought you expressed, that " All that we see is violence and crime, yet no one wants to be responsible for the society's menace."

    Just be careful with your absolutist terminology, because always, never, everybody, nobody, all, and nothing are almost always too extreme to reflect reality. The real world includes all colors and all shades, including invisible wavelengths like ultraviolet. The real world is not just black and white.
    Charles David Upchurch
    18/09/2016 #8 Charles David Upchurch
    Thanks for responding, @Joel Savage. I am glad to share my opinion, but it appears that you have misunderstood what I was saying. I also don't want to be lumped in with the kind of racists that you seem to be lumping me in with. That's not just unfair, it is categorically wrong. If anything, I have always been on the peace, justice, and equality side of that anti-human prejudice battle. I was one of 10s of thousands of college students who fought against Apartheid, and I fought for the release of Nelson Mandela, who later became the first black President of the Republic of South Africa. Having visited South Africa about 10 times as a non-violent peace activist when I was younger, I was in a position to inform my black American student colleagues about the realities of how my black African friends were being treated, including those who lived with me at Kagisong, a refugee camp which my parents helped to fund and build.

    Please read my message again. Sensationalism is propaganda. It is not journalism. The best journalists double- and triple-source their information, especially when that information is different from what people generally believe to be true.
    Joel Savage
    18/09/2016 #7 Joel Savage
    @Charles David Upchurch D. Thanks for sharing your opinion on this article. That Dutch scientist is not my brother and not related to him in any way . In fact, on Linkedin's social platform he introduced himself to me. The Europeans and Americans call everything against them conspiracy. Slavery is a conspiracy, Apartheid is a conspiracy, racism is a conspiracy. The world is full of hypocrisy that nothing is getting better. All that we see is violence and crime, yet no one wants to be responsible for the society's menace. Do you want me to believe you than him? I respect everyone's opinion but I can't call that scientist a liar.
    Charles David Upchurch
    13/09/2016 #6 Charles David Upchurch
    Correction.

    I said below that "the person who wrote this is trying to offload his or her pain and suffering and doubt onto the world by saying such things."

    It's not that simple.

    Since writing the comment below, I have looked at a couple of other articles by @Joel Savage. I now believe that he, like @Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD, is a person of positive intentions who is simply mistaken about which sources of "information" are trustworthy.

    Still, Joel, if you are an ethical and professional journalist, you will do more of your own background research before publishing anything as inflammatory and accusatory as this article.

    The minimum standard for ethical reporting is ONE unedited video or audio recording of a responsible and accountable decisionmaker like a CEO or an elected politician or a high level government official, or TWO separate, "on the record" named sources of unimpeachable credibility, or THREE separate sources if the credibility of any ONE of the sources is not 100% credible, or if any TWO of those sources will not go "on the record" as a named source.

    Please note that anyone who might believe they would somehow benefit from lying to a journalist or to law enforcement is NOT a 100% credible source, regardless of their academic or proofessional credentials.
    Charles David Upchurch
    13/09/2016 #4 Charles David Upchurch
    Just to be clear, @Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD... I love you for your open mind and your open heart, but the person who wrote this is trying to offload his or her pain and suffering and doubt onto the world by saying such things. I know you have compassion for that writer, but that is not reason enough to help spread that person's confused and frightened message to others. It is not your job to heal that kind of mental illness. "There, be dragons."

    "Let go, let God."

    I hope you're okay. I hope EVERYONE is, or will soon be, okay.
    Phillip Louis D 'Amato
    13/09/2016 #3 Phillip Louis D 'Amato
    This is a complete and utter lie with no facts or supporting evidence.
    Charles David Upchurch
    12/09/2016 #2 Charles David Upchurch
    I simply do not believe this, @Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD. It looks like classic, unfounded Conspiracy Theory. With sufficient evidence from a more credible source than this, and without a preponderance of contravening evidence, I would believe that the moon was made of cheese.

    In this case, I do not believe it, and it does not strike me as humorous as a spoof would.
    Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD
    12/09/2016 #1 Margaret Aranda, MD, PhD
    @Joel Savage: Fine journalist-quality piece. Horrible topic - disgusting digging of information - almost wish I hadn't read it. I wasn't prepared for the contents, given the title. Caught me off guard. Won't they want Johan VanDogen dead? @Vincent King, @Gordon Pye, @Charles David Upchurch, @Lisa 🐝 Gallagher, @Franci🐝Eugenia Hoffman, @Paul "Pablo" Croubalian, @Tommy McElroy, MD, @Donald Grandy, @Phillip Louis D 'Amato, @Sara Jacobovici, @Gerald Hecht, @Deb 🐝 Helfrich. What do you say?
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