- 17/01/2017Great resource on stress and anxiety research via Neuroscience News. As always, keep in mind that any single study means very little, and can be misleading until it has been replicated a number of times.stress – Neuroscience Newsneurosciencenews.com Neuroscience News has recent neuroscience research articles, brain research news, neurology studies and neuroscience resources for neuroscientists, students, and science fans and is always free to join. Our neuroscience social network has science...
- Producer15/01/2017Book REVIEW - The Lion and the Peacock: How I Conquered Anxiety Hello everyone,Must say I missed writing here, but after planning and working my schedule I'm back.Yeah!!!This year I began with a Book Review of 'The Lion and the Peacock: How I Conquered Anxiety' by Jennifer Peacock-Smith I got connected with...
Comments16/01/2017 #12 Lisa 🐝 Gallagher#10 Thanks @Dean Owen, I've actually thought of writing one but I'm not sure I'd know how to go about it. If I did, I would want it to inspire and support others that their symptoms are real... and maybe a chapter on those who live with someone that has this. It's not easy on those who live with us especially when depression decides to loom. This will get better!! Thanks @Sushmita Thakare Jain, you've both given me food for thought.16/01/2017 #8 Lisa 🐝 Gallagher#5 Thank you @Sushmita Thakare Jain, I'm glad we met on beBee! Keeping this topic on going is vital to more research and awareness. For the first time in my life my generalized anxiety has lasted so long it's led to a clinical depression. Im currently receiving more treatment. I haven't been myself since the depression began. Looking forward to some healing!16/01/2017 #5 Sushmita Thakare Jain#3 @Lisa 🐝 Gallagher I like you the way you are, you don't need to apologize for that. Infact you sharing your experience is what I loved ☺ it deepened my connection with you. I'm glad you liked the post. I don't just say, I do understand your feelings and hope and pray the best for you. ✌😚16/01/2017 #3 Lisa 🐝 GallagherGreat subject @Sushmita Thakare Jain. It's refreshing that more people are talking about Anxiety disorder which affects many but they suffer in silence. @David B. Grinberg, thank you for tagging me and it's true... there is still a stigma attached. What's upsetting is when people prey on others with this illness by offering dime store advice. Those of us that suffer can be vulnerable but we are also fairly well informed. We can tell if someone is truly trained vs. selling us a crock of poo. We are also in tune to those who understand it from a Medical Perspective and/or from a personal perspective. Many people peddle programs that are not approved to be utilized by mainstream counselors. I'm experiencing a very tough time right now and I've had people who listen with truly good intentions and others offer advice because it's what they are selling per se. I have family members that tell me they understand and want me to feel better but get very frustrated if it messes up their day. So, we not only have the illness to combat but the guilt that we live with knowing our illness affects those around us. Sometimes it's a lose/lose. Some people feel others would be better off if they just left. I have been very moody lately, which is not like me. If I have appeared moody online, I apologize, it's not my intention to upset anyone. Her book looks interesting Sushmita, thank you for sharing. Sorry if I'm all over the place.15/01/2017 #2 Sushmita Thakare Jain#1 @David B. Grinberg I agree with what you have said. I have seen few, hiding and suffering the pain alone, hence when came across the book knew a person's life journey experience can inspire and motivate not all but few to start talking steps ahead. We cannot hope and wait for miracles but it are these small steps which will make the world a better place :)
And dear, thank you for sharing ahead appreciate it.15/01/2017 #1 David B. GrinbergThank you for this buzz, Sushmita, which I have shared on three hives. The issue of anxiety is one that affects countless millions of people. However, too many people whom suffer from anxiety and related mental issues also have to face a biased societal stigma regarding mental health -- especially so-called hidden or invisible mental health impairments. However, this unfortunate societal stigma is based on nothing more than myths, fears and stereotypes. This must end. Thus, the more people speak out about this publicly, the faster the societal stigma will dissipate, hopefully. cc: @Lisa 🐝 Gallagher
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- Producer21/12/2016Why might depression be a good sign? Почему депрессия может означать что-то хорошее?Why might depression be a good sign?In our society almost 80 percent of people are depressed. Temporary or permanently. Depression may lead to stress and stress may lead to depression. According to doctors most of the diseases happen because of the...
Comments23/12/2016 #55 Lisa 🐝 Gallagher#53 Thank you @Andrew 🐝 Goldman, no one wants pity. Thank for believing... that's a positive reinforcement. Honestly, this isn't just about me, I've been an advocate for Mental Health issues for a long time and when people feel they are pitied I think they feel belittled and not taken seriously. Again, thank you my friend.23/12/2016 #54 Andrew 🐝 Goldman@Lisa 🐝 Gallagher Anything that will help is great. If you picked your way, ok. Healing is important, not the process. If you found something that works, great. I may not sound sorry or supportive cause it really doesn't help, it just rewards your current state. You get connection and will be there longer. Not my goal. I believe in you. I believe in everyone who did all the comments. When I believe in you, I want you to feel strength. That's what I'm sending your way. #5123/12/2016 #51 Lisa 🐝 Gallagher#50 @Andrew 🐝 Goldman, I hope you understand I am not trying to come off as sounding mean. Your right, I try to be a positive person. I found I've tried for way too long and ignored myself. I ignored or tried to ignore what was really going on. Like a boil, slowly festering. No offense, but I don't care for Tony Robbins. I can't watch his videos. I will share by ignoring what is going on inside of us and hoping it will just pass can be dangerous. We can't fix an illness with positive affirmations. As for Medical Personel who treat this, I've been told that medication along with CBT and for some EMDR are the therapies of choice. Again, it's a process that takes quite a bit of time. It takes support of family and God willing, friends too who support you and don't expect you to just put on a smile and pretend you're OK because even smiling can be difficult when your not feeling well. Things we take for granted when healthy feel like they are out of reach. @Don 🐝 Kerr, thank my friend- back at you and looking forward to watching that black dog retreat ;-)23/12/2016 #49 Praveen Raj Gullepalli#44 I understand dear Lisa. It depends on the nature or the degree I suppose. Don't Worry Be Happy mantra...or Get a Grip mantra...Self Control mantra might work for one stage or type but assuming it is the mantra for all degrees may be wrong. However, it is good to see through these interactions some new facts emerging on the nature, degrees, and escape velocities required to beat the black beast :)22/12/2016 #47 Ian WeinbergNotwithstanding what I've said in my quoted buzz and with great respect to@Andrew 🐝 Goldman and @Deb 🐝 Helfrich , there is another component which needs to be included in this discussion. Prompted by the descriptions of subjective suffering and the difficulty in overcoming the affliction as contributed to by @Phil Friedman, @Lisa 🐝 Gallagher, @Don 🐝 Kerr, one has to appreciate the enormous influence that the formative years and the ensuing life narrative have in determining receptivity to effective intervention. I have coached many with a program combining behavioral-type therapy with a strong logotherapeutic flavor. And yes I've had successes, but also many failures. On review I've concluded that components deeply embedded in the life narrative determine the success versus the failure (and the whole range in between) of intervention. I outlined this component in a recent buzz - https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ian-weinberg/the-neuroscience-of-change22/12/2016 #45 Preston Vander Ven#43 First, Great article. I wanted to agree with what you said in your article. I took struggle with Depression in my twenties. That is for another story. What I learned from that was I could not control the circumstances in which I was blaming. Yet, it did open my eye to what I could control.
This lead me to a feeling of conviction. Conviction brought awareness of my specific sins, habits, and attitudes in my life that needed to be changed. It was light a specific spotlight that needed help. I was no longer dependent on circumstances, because I was back in control.22/12/2016 #44 Lisa 🐝 Gallagher#23 Some of these comments (not yours @Praveen Raj Gullepalli) make me cry. I don't think some people realize just how sick someone is when they are in the depths of a clinical depression. Yes, seeking help is vital. Yes, meds can help to get over the hump, but they are not a cure (and I'm agreeing with those who mentioned medications), but until a person is not so ill, they aren't able to many of the positive things mentioned any more than a person who's ill from heart disease can do these things. People forget the brain is an organ, the most vital organ in the body and just like any organ it can become diseased or malfunction. We do not have control over these things. Recognizing the illness is the first step. Recovery can take months. I fully disagree that it's a person's fault. It's an illness. I wouldn't wish this on my worse enemy.22/12/2016 #43 Andrew 🐝 Goldman#40 I like the quote of Henry Ford:
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right. After 3 years of depression that was a thought that turned my thinking around. Sense of purpose totally destroyed it. I understood that I have no time for depression. Cause I have important goals to achieve. I just share my example and those that are worldwide known. If someone made it through. It is possible. Sense of personal failure that bothers people actually could be turned into a victory. If a person realizes and believes that it's his/her own fault, then he/she could turn it around. It's impossible to change stuff that is out of our control. Better get things under our control. So we get the chance.22/12/2016 #41 Lisa 🐝 GallagherPt 2- Many people with depression lose their excitement for things they always enjoy or look forward to. It's hard to get out of bed (literally), and for many, it's a chore just to shower. Depression is complex and if it were that easy to just wish it away or think good thoughts people would not be going to Dr's, take medications that quite frankly suck and be openly admitting to it because sadly, there is still a stigma attached to depression and anxiety disorder, there is still a lack of education that this is an illness... which makes so many feel embarrassed to reach out to health professionals or their family members. People also suffer from a great amount of guilt because it's not an illness that disappears in a short amount of time, they know it affects their family members too which adds to the horrible guilt. We are far from this illness being accepted as what it is, an illness.22/12/2016 #40 Lisa 🐝 GallagherHi @Andrew 🐝 Goldman, I am suffering from depression due to anxiety, that has been hard to treat which led to clinical depression. I wish it was that easy to just think happy thoughts and it would go away. As @Don 🐝 Kerr noted below illnesses are not a result of personal failures and depression isn't either. I haven't been online a lot lately because I have not had the energy or focus to read let alone write much at all. Unless a person has truly suffered from depression (not a low feeling or sadness that comes and goes) they can't imagine how dark and hopeless life can feel. It's like being in abyss without a way out. A person's physical body suffers too. Fatigue that is hard to fight, weakness, deep body aches, and more. Pt. 122/12/2016 #39 Deb 🐝 Helfrich#35 #37 What about Parkinson's? There is a long trail of breadcrumbs suggesting that a simple change of thought - from 'the fact' that there was nothing @Gary Sharpe could do, as the doctors said he would experience inevitable decline & medication was his only hope; to his willingness to believe me when I said there were things he could do for himself that would improve his daily life. Even as he would continue to experience difficult symptoms every single day.
Understanding that we each can utilize our mind, right now, as we are being made aware of its capabilities, does not suggest the person was at fault for causing these horrifically challenging diseases. There is no implied personal failure.
The focus should be on 'hope' for right now, because even in the most challenging of diseases - depression being one of them - small daily concrete changes in action or THOUGHTS today, tomorrow, and each day forward based on a realistic assessment of the actual limitations of the condition, can change a person's life.
That change in belief by a person that they can begin to trend TOWARD wellness is a revolutionary belief. They still will have the disease. Be in pain. Have a long, challenging road. Continue to need to utilize and rely on Western Medicines best practices.
But as @Andrew 🐝 Goldman said: "The main thing here is a sense of control."
- 21/12/2016Jordan Peterson on Unearned Moral Superiority (from Joe Rogan Experience #877) This clip is taken from the Joe Rogan Experience podcast #877 with Jordan Peterson (https://youtu.be/04wyGK6k6HE), also available for download via iTunes &...
- Producer20/12/2016When it's only a paper moon...Image credit: Everyone Goes to Mick’s. The holiday season is often a time that challenges us emotionally more than any other period of the year. Self-care is crucial to help us get through this season in a safe way. It is worth our time to stop...
Comments22/12/2016 #8 Graham🐝 EdwardsI really appreciate this buzz @Sara Jacobovici... I find myself saying I'm TIRED once in a while and now I know exactly what I mean by it. You have also reminded me I definitely need to drink more fluids. Do have a great holiday season.... I have to admit I'm counting down and can hardly wait!21/12/2016 #4 David B. GrinbergThanks for the good advice and analysis, Sara. The holiday is certainly a stressful time for many people. And some of those people lash out at other people to vent their negative feelings and frustrations -- either inadvertently or by design. This is very unfortunate during a season of hope, faith, love and good spirits. Happy holidays and keep buzzing!
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Comments07/12/2016 #3 Robert Bacal#1 Forgot to mention that it's not a bad idea to set up a free email address at gmail, yahoo or your choice of email providers JUST to use for situations where you need to supply an email address but aren't sure how it might be used. I don't bother for the reasons I stated previously, @Jared 🐝 Wiese but it's a good practice. If you ever want to stop using that address because it becomes clogged, you can delete it, and it separates out the emails you are less interested in from those that you really have to see.07/12/2016 #2 Robert Bacal#1 Yes, @Jared 🐝 Wiese That's true. I guess in a sense there's no such thing as a free lunch. Personally, it doesn't bother me. I have only rarely found that giving out my address, or subscribing to a newsletter has been honorous, and laws demand that one can unsubscribe at any time.
I get so much junk email already that I don't care, so I sometimes forget that others might be more protective. Thanks for pointing this out.07/12/2016 #1 Jared 🐝 WieseThanks so much for sharing, Robert!
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- 04/12/2016Psychospirilosophy The Study of Ideas: Do we abuse through labels? A look at the labels we use to avoid investigation and realization that often lead us to abusing...
- Producer02/12/2016Is being nice instead of honest the obstacle in the way of progress?What is authority?In concept it's when one is given or assigns oneself to a position to rule over others and or enforce rules in a variety of possible ways.Authority in concept is about wielding power over others.Authority in concept is the right to...
- ProducerPsychospirilosophy and The Idea of Self Emotional HealingThe entire mental health and spirituality industry is dependent on you thinking that you do not have the ability to heal yourself or know what is best for you. I find these industries go hand in hand. One uses Freud and Jung and the other uses...
- ProducerWhat is the Essence of the condition of being Human?To answer this one question we must also answer the question of what was the essence that preceded the existence of our current Universe.For lack of a better word, God is that essence that preceded the existence we know now. The essence that was God...
Comments29/11/2016 #1 David B. GrinbergVery profound and deep read, Max, I really enjoyed it. I'm sure you're familiar with some of the scientific theories regarding multiple universes (the Multiverse), parallel universes, etc. I think one of the most mind boggling questions is how something as gargantuan (if not infinite) as our universe came from nothing, or something infinitesimally small (singularity). This is really good food for thought. Keep buzzing!
- ProducerHow the Conscious and Subconscious minds communicateIf you read my piece called The Ego and the Psychospirilosophy view you are familiar with 1 and zero. If you haven’t read it, that’s OK, 1 is the ego representation of self end result from the process of the two minds working in unison and...
Comments14/12/2016 #10 Max🐝 J. Carter#9 Thank yo @Kevin Baker
I am not sure I completely agree with that.
At times we react emotionally with out making a decision based on the emotional creatures are.
A piece of music moves us to tears not because we decided to be moved, it just does because it touches the core of our being though at times we can at the conscious level make the decision to shut down or change the programming to how we react.
I think its a multifaceted thing with no one catch all answer.
- 27/11/2016My personal motto is: to learn, to do, to teach. I've learned, and use a somatic method to cure what some say is incurable: PTSD. This book is one we use in our workshops, where we teach others how to use their body's innate mechanism to release stress, and heal trauma.The Science of How Our Minds and Our Bodies Converge in the Healing of Traumawww.brainpickings.org “When our senses become muffled, we no longer feel fully alive… If you have a comfortable connection with your inner sensations … you will feel in charge of your body, your...
Comments04/12/2016 #4 Steve BradyHi Leckey, excellent post. Maria Popova does a brilliant job with this review, and in a wider sense with her "Brain Pickings" site.
I have found Dr Bessel van der Kolk's book, "The Body Keeps the Score" to be one of the most helpful in my own PTSD recovery journey.
One aspect that stood out for me in the review, as it did when I originally read the book, was the powerful potentiality of reciprocity in healing. I can recall that times when I felt as though I was "locked" in misery, having someone there who resonantly listened and was authentically with me was like a magical balm.
It reminds me of during my recent role as a school counsellor, I would sometimes as students if they had ever sat with an adult and talked like we had just done. The reply was always "no". What a sad reality.27/11/2016 #3 Leckey Harrison#1 Most definitely, it creates a separation in embodiment. Not just the gut reactions, those gut instincts, but proprioception - knowing where the body is in space and time. We see this when we teach the exercises that self-induce the tremors. I say, "Watch me first, so that I in turn can watch you" Many don't and I repeat it often, but, the point is that I when I watch them, I see vast levels of lack of proprioception. Some of the worst are therapists, which surprises me none at all. What a wonderful journey though, to come back to embodied being!27/11/2016 #1 Lisa 🐝 GallagherVery interesting @Leckey Harrison. "But one of the most pernicious effects of trauma, Van der Kolk notes, is that it disrupts our ability to know what we feel — that is, to trust our gut feelings — and this mistrust makes us misperceive threat where there is none. This, in turn, creates an antagonistic relationship with our own bodies. " I think this is a major player that many of us may not even be aware of... the misperceptions!
- Producer25/11/2016Conscious and Subconscious QuestionsI say the more we know, the more we should ask questions to discover how little we know. Surprisingly, what we know for sure becomes our handicap. We all know for example, that water is an essential ingredient for our health and vitality. We know...
Comments08/01/2017 #158 Lyon BraveI used to ask all the big questions, then i got into this existential depression because my molecules didn't some big enough or infinite enough to compete with the universe. Then i stopped caring about entropy, afterlives, why am i hear, what is my purpose collective purpose, and i just started focusing on me. I'm not designed to be a scientist, knowing about black matter just confuses me and makes me feel minuscule., I'm a more philosophical person. I think they're both people of reason. I would rather focusing on my inner being than the outer world, but i'm so glad other people go explore it.30/11/2016 #156 Joris Plaatstaal#155 I think that is the beauty and the sadness of it all. Crossing the border might be an event not noticed by the traveler.
No matter what border the traveler crosses, at some point the traveler will realize there is no way back.
The traveler crossed the line and lost his past. Is that why so many of us do not travel?
I can understand them, the stayers. Traveling is about finding new and losing old. I can understand it does not appeal to everyone.30/11/2016 #154 Joris Plaatstaal#153 Now you got me thinking.... @Ali Anani.
"Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge."
This is an interaction I truly love. ......Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge...... It is just great, I did not realize that while commenting. You kick my thoughts a step further and at this time I am not sure why.....
Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge. There are so many ways to look at that. I will have to let it sink in.
Thank you!29/11/2016 #152 Joris Plaatstaal#148 I agree @Ali Anani.
"And so there is a danger of always searching." That was indeed a bit of a one-liner. What I tried to say.... And that is where the complexity cuts in....
There are people who are sure they know. There are people who are sure they don't know, and they search further.
At what point in life and knowledge are we happy with who we are? Free?
Am I to early reaching that point? I made up my mind. I am sixteen years old and I know it all. What I know is the rigid setting for the rest of my life.
Will I never reach that point? I can't make up my mind. I am 120 years old and I am not sure. I must learn more.
Those are two extremities, I know. They fell in my mind, reading your conversation with Max. Those extremities do not represent you or Max. My knowledge of the both of you is too superficial.
Ah well. What did Come to my mind? The extremities.
"Know" to soon and freedom is lost. Never know and freedom is an illusion. Where do I step in? At what point in my life I feel secure, without developing my own tunnel vision? It feels like a Gaussian curve with a standard deviation of close to nothing.
Does this explain my one-liner more?
P.S. I am only here to exchange thoughts, not to prove my right. Thank you for your open, respectful comment.28/11/2016 #148 Ali Anani#147 @Joris Plaatstaal- There is a concept of "DEgrees of Freedom in statistics. I realize I lost one degree from your comment "But in the end we are all free. Even people that trade in their freedom for A truth. They are free to lose their freedom.
And so there is a danger of always searching.28/11/2016 #147 Joris PlaatstaalJoris Plaatstaal
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#141 It comes with being on social media @Ali Anani. No different to life. Everywhere, anytime we follow leaders who know......
In the end you can only follow yourself. I think you do just that. Your questioning, an admirable gift.
But in the end we are all free. Even people that trade in their freedom for A truth. They are free to lose their freedom.
And so there is a danger of always searching.
Life is so lovely complicated! It is all I expected. A blind walking forwards. Infinite.
Freedom is universal. But we seem to not live in the same universe.... Another complication, yes!27/11/2016 #144 Max🐝 J. Carter#142 It's not negative and you are being abusive in saying so.
It;'s the truth and it hurt your feelings because the truth hurts when one is living in delusion. Again this is behavioral psychology applied. I am not being negative I am being honest.
Using the term negative is a mechanism for retaining ones delusional state so one can dismiss that they heard truth.
Using the term negative is done to infer there is something wrong with someone so you ignore them and what they have presented.
If I applied the positive negative metaphor I have been more positive than most as honesty is a positive quality and delusion one that has negative impacts on the self and that damage gets spread in the name of justifying holding onto the delusion causing one to see the truth as a negative thing because it destroys their delusion.
It is psychologically unhealthy to use such subjective terms as positive and negative as they allow for mechanism to abuse other people to become rationalized and justified through use of the terms.27/11/2016 #142 Mohammed Sultan#140 Wisdom goes beyond understanding to interpretation of facts,it makes one's light more brighter than another and will help us see others pitfalls.We are always required to find a synergy between our personal and professional objectives.Our knowledge base and skills often go beyond the recipes of classical behavior psychology books to coaching and mentoring , visioning and inspiring people .We always think of more creative ways to develop the students skills to stretch their thinking beyond the norms of classic books.Our thoughts are always a reflection of our feeling and when we view others as "wrong"we trigger our negative emotions and may regress into a negative mood.27/11/2016 #141 Ali AnaniI read by a quote years back stating that "I have to be 300% I am correct before I dare say somebody is wrong".
Some comments are sidelining these discussions by making sweeping comments and turning the discussions from win- win to I win-you lose. It is sad it is truly wasting our times. Just stating somebody is flatly wrong without solid proofs and with many not seeing eye-to-eye with him is unacceptable. I hope discussions here shall only focus on the theme of the buzz and not sideline it to show off what we know. If needed and the commenter has such opposing ideas I suggest he writes a separate buzz.27/11/2016 #140 Max🐝 J. Carter#137 Wisdom is understanding how much of the knowledge is superfluous and strips away at structures to find understanding.
You are totally wrong as knowledge about people is absolutely scientific depending how you acquire it.
Experience reveals truth.
Any scientific experiment is designed to find the truth or determine what the facts are and what is the actual.
To deny there any absolutes is delusional thinking at it's best stemming from a fear of being wrong. This is behavioral psychology applied through scientific method over the course of many hundreds of years in society and is an inarguable absolute truth and fact of the human condition.
The only reason to attempt to deny this is keep ones delusions in place so one never has to take stand and risk being wrong which means they choose willful ignorance and never really grow and keep themselves in a state of emotional maturity that is could be described as adolescent or juvenile.
This isn't my idea or creative thinking, this is applied behavioral psychology.
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Comments26/11/2016 #7 Max🐝 J. Carter#6 @David Navarro López any process that has you turning the mirror inward and taking ownership of action is going to work and promote growth.
I use Psychospirilosophy as a tool figuring things out.
Psychologically speaking it makes sense to understand why you are dong anything.
Spirituality: Have something that works for you;.
Philosophy for me is the the talk I work at walking or personal quotes I have created and use as mantras.
Everyone has their own system for self review and refinement only it often goes under utilized in favor of comfort as it takes steeping out of the comfort zone to find growth.
Humans fear change yet it happens anyway and wen you embrace it it happens faster and is less painful.26/11/2016 #6 Anonymous#4 I am happy to see we agree on the basics, no matter if we are separated by the half of the globe. I you might know, English is not my mother language, and sometimes I make mistakes. I looked for the meaning of beliefs and faith, and after reading a lot, discarding religion biased opinions, is that beliefs can be a "confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof", whilst faith is the expectation or convincement about something even if you have no proof at sight. Whatever the semantic differences can be, I agree with using "built experiences" as a result of getting knowledge, rather than having read it in a book or seen in other's experiences. Concerning to perceptions/perspectives, absolutely agreed we need to take our "inputs" and look at them in the most objective way, if this is possible. Your words make me think I should have "deconstructed" the Navarro Loop (which sincerely, was one of my thoughts when writing it) in order to define with better precision what I meant with every particle of it.
Nevertheless, your words become to be a proof that the Navarro Loop works. Until one takes the step of "action", and causes a "reaction", (as one is biased by his own knowledge and beliefs), you can not refine and redefine your line of thinking. A good way to sharpen a knife is to use another knife, and friction it one to each other. This way, both knives are sharpened same time. I believe this happens as well with the minds.26/11/2016 #5 Max🐝 J. Carter#3 @Ali Anani Join the party. We can put together the first ever Coffee and a Spliff meeting of the minds of beBee.com
I'll play host provide the spliffs and it's an open invitation to anyone who ever visits Chico, California.
Thank you Ali, I enjoy our exchanges and the shared growth.26/11/2016 #4 Max🐝 J. Carter#1 @David Navarro López first off if ever make it to Chico, California, you are on.
The Navarro Loop (Perception, knowledge, beliefs, action, interaction, perception)
I dig this, however I would replace beliefs with faith and perception with perspectives in the plural as a reminder to look at as if it wasn't me.
For me faith is built experience where a belief can be found in any book.
Yes we do share quite a few views and I look forward to seeing what others views we share. I am sure that conversation someday is going to enjoyable for both of us in what it reveals in the connection that already exists between us.
And thank you for your kind words.26/11/2016 #3 Ali Anani#1 Thank you @David Navarro López for tagging me to this lovely post. I have had recently many exchanges with @Max🐝 J. Carter and he is a thinker. He sees the world through a wide vision. We agree and we disagree, but with due respect and mutual understanding.
I have no disagreement this time. David summarized the buzz beautifully. I only have one wish- to join you on your park walk. It shall be an "awakening process" with both of you.26/11/2016 #1 AnonymousDear Max, after reading your post I had the same sensation as if while walking, I had found a box full of gems. I can't agree more to all the concepts you are exposing. If I had to highlight something, your words "The best defence anyone has from taking on the emotions of another is to resolve your own issues." is something I work on in a daily base. the more solidly you have built yourself, the less options external influences will have to turn your mind into something else you don't want. I love as well the concept you are pointing out, on which we have no other alternatives than we influencing others, or we being influenced by others. To your conclusions about what to do with the things we have been influenced in our childhood, I can't be more in agreement.
Above all, I would give anything to have the opportunity to share with you a coffee, a spliff and a walk in your preferred park, and have a very long long talk with you. I am sure we would find an enourmous amount of things we would be in agreement, and I am sure it would be very interesting when finding issues we would not be in agreement, and what it would come out of it. In any case, highly enriching, for sure. Please, have a look at my last post. You will find many common things to your way of thinking.https://www.bebee.com/producer/@david-navarro-lopez/the-navarro-loop
- Producer24/11/2016The Navarro LoopThe brain is by far the most complex item of the universe. Thanks to the latest technology developments, we can virtually “see”(fMRI) a thought travelling our brain from one part to another, even if we cannot see the content of it. We have roughly...
Comments26/11/2016 #14 Anonymous#12 Thank you David, for taking your time to read it. I don't know if it is a 10%, or if we are going to be able to increase it in the future. The fact is, that we already have a lot of unused potential available, and it is up to us to use efficiently.
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Thank you for sharing26/11/2016 #13 Anonymous#11 I have given a point to your comment, dear Deb, but it worths much more than that. Thank you for your enriching words, I agree entirely with all of them. The buzz is, apart from other things, the product of my infinite thirst to question everything and to try to find the truth by doubting from it at the first place, due to the stated fact that every thought we have is subjective, biased by our own thoughts, fears, prejudices, beliefs. This is why I included the "reaction" of other people caused by our "action", as a way of controlling or mirroring to confirm or deny our internal process. The wisest man of humankind, King Solomon, said that in the multitude of counsellors resides the wisdom. Because nobody possesses the ultimate truth, so it is good to compare with others our own thoughts, to see the sides we could have surpassed due to our own biasing, because the brain has not the capability to understand the difference between fiction and reality. As you say, the unconscious can be "treacherous" and can blind us from the reality.
in the other hand, as you are pointing out, with your words "with an eye towards understanding how to achieve the sort of life we desire for ourselves." you are showing a way on how can we "trick" our unconscious by rationally setting our goals, and influence it to make it helps us achieving them. This is called Neuro Linguistical Incitement. I encourage you to have a look at a presentation I did some time ago concerning to this. I am sure you will find it very interesting.
http://www.slideshare.net/bicefablog/not-in-the-mood26/11/2016 #12 David B. GrinbergVery interesting post, Dave, lot's of food for thought. I'm always amazed by the fact that most humans only use a mere 10% of their brain power, according to scientists and neurologists. I wonder what would happen if we doubled or tripled that amount, and why can't we?
cc: @Ali Anani25/11/2016 #11 Deb 🐝 HelfrichThis is a great buzz, @David Navarro López. I honestly have to say I am partial to The Navarro Maze, as it incorporates the concept that the unconscious - the stuff just around the corner, out of sight of our conscious mind - is the most treacherous part of our human journey. Your example of being suffused in a negative work environment is a poignant one, because even if we think we love our job, that we manage to stay positive in our own mental space, inevitably some of those negative particles will float in. And then there is the media, and social media, and .... So many times it was some random statement, that didn't register very loudly in our conscious mind, at the time, that keeps us stuck.
"Someone said the publishing industry is dead." And now many people self-sabotage their writing because this statement got stored, or the woeful news about the economy, stops someone with a great business idea. These types of vague, generic, fear-based statements are basically in the air all around us. And it does take a framework, like the Navarro loop, to help us think through, in a complex way, why we struggle, or repeat negative behaviors, or stay stuck.
Change is inevitable. But we do not have to get swept up in the speed of public opinion. We can exert the effort to know ourselves. We can pay attention to our choices and evaluate our actions through the filter of our beliefs and knowledge with an eye towards understanding how to achieve the sort of life we desire for ourselves.24/11/2016 #9 Anonymous#6 Has dado totalmente en el clavo, compañero. De hecho, si por algo somos amigos, es porque pensamos de igual forma en cuanto a que cada uno es responsable de lo que piensa y como lo hace. Desde luego que no es fácil, y como apuntas, el primer paso, que es ser conscientes de que ese potencial que tenemos nos pertenece y tenemos el derecho y el deber de moldearlo a nuestra voluntad, ese es el más dificil de asumir. A partir de ahí, todo es un poco menos difícil, y tiene sus recompensas. Cuanto más tiempo le dedicas, más te lo agradece.24/11/2016 #8 Anonymous#7 Completely agreed that we are not neurologists and that we might be able to work out a loop for our complex brain. As well, the brain is not a computer. Is much more complex and sophisticated. In the other hand, everybody has one, and together with it, the right to use it at his own will. This includes allowing others to influence our mind. It is an option too. The wonder of it is that each one is the responsible of our own mind, and that we can change our choices accordingly to our will.24/11/2016 #7 Mohammed SultanDear @ David Navarro Lopez.It's untapped mental potential that is influenced internally by our physical-chemical state of the brain, which is the same for human and animals.We are not neurologists to play in this huge playground which contains billions of neurons making thousands of connections with our nerve cells and with the outer world.What's going on in the playground is either discovered by the anatomy of the brain cortex or is reflected on our minds and on our behavior and attitude.Our minds are interpretative states influenced by the physical-chemical properties of our brains and the adaptive conscious and unconscious activities like feelings--> perception--->thinking--->willing-->action (with reason). I think, if we are able to make patterns from the atoms in the universe ,we will also be able to work out a loop for our complex brain.The brain is not a computer in which decisions can be modeled or a machine in which every part has a predetermined assigned role.24/11/2016 #6 Oscar Montejo RodriguezCompletamente de acuerdo @David Navarro López. Es lo que yo llamo reprogramación mental. Mucha gente se asusta cuando hablo de ella pero cuando eres consciente que has sido reprogramado desde niño sin darte cuenta, no es mas que desaprender para volver a aprender de nuevo. Pero es dificil de hacer y mucho más de concebir. Creemos que somos así y punto. Si fueramos conscientes del verdadero poder real de nuestros pensamientos,tal vez trararíamos con mucho más mimo lo que metemos en nuestra cabecita loca. Un articulo estupendo! Un abrazo amigo!24/11/2016 #5 Ali Anani#4 I understand very well your point of view and the complexity of the Navarro Loop. However; you start with the perception and you end it with the perception. May be it is also a spiral loop, too. The concept is clear. Images help people to remember the loop. Keep trying because the challenge is worth it my friend @David Navarro López.24/11/2016 #4 Anonymous#3 Thank you for your kind words dear Ali, but I just would like to remark that "I tried to make a scheme of the Navarro Loop. I failed. I could not find a chain or a pattern on which the components fit one with each other because they interact disorderly."
I am sorry if Ii gave the wrong impression by writing it this way. My intention was to put them orderly by way in/way out, but what it happens between them, it changes continuosly. It took me many hours to trying to find a scheme, only to find out there is none. A perception can lead to a knowledge, but if the beliefs are against it, it can go back and forth, depurated, corrected, or deleted. Or, a reaction can be strongly adverse to an action, and make entire line to become a chaos.
Above all, you are completely right. The buzz is worthy for many discussions. Hopefully, it will have the desired reach to all the big minds around bebee, in order to provide some further light to it24/11/2016 #3 Ali Anani#1 Part 2
If these are not worthy of discussions then what would be deserving
You know that Sara Jacobovici, Franci Eugenia Hoffman and myself have been developing an equation that started with:Knowing + doing = action (movement). In the Navarro Loop the starting point is perception and then knowledge. Here, you suggest knowledge to proceed to action through moving from knowledge to beliefs and then actions. This means we may consider modifying our equation to include beliefs. I wonder what Sara and Franci would comment.
The way you link the conscious and the subconscious minds is amazing. I am thinking of having the controllable mind in the vicinity of the uncontrollable one. This is how nature works.
I am moved by your dedication my friend and would hope this buzz receives due attention.24/11/2016 #2 Ali AnaniPart 1
@David Navarro López- this post,thediscussion on a large scale. Let me first note down some of the key statements in your buzz;:
…with the accuracy of a drunken elephant in a crystal store
Something it kept me thinking is that we can actually physically modify our brain consciously.
• The Navarro Loop (Perception, knowledge, beliefs, action, interaction, perception)
We need to remember that our subconscious is who gets ready the “reports for the boss”
the subconscious works full speed when the conscious sleeps
So it is up to us to allow them to percolate us, and in any case, we need to reinforce ourselves with the things we want, to give a stronger voice to our priorities
- Producer19/11/2016But Why Quibble?Insane:There is only one kind of person, Phaedrus said, who freely chooses to accept or reject the mythos in which he lives. And the definition of that person, when he has rejected the mythos, Phaedrus said, is “insane”. To go outside the mythos is...
Comments03/12/2016 #52 Praveen Raj Gullepalli#50 No man in his right senses can deny the fact that we are failing as a species, collectively, by always, consistently, invariably, unrelentingly biting the hand that feeds us, by cutting away the hands that rock our cradles, by slowly draining away the life blood from our very planet, love from our hearts, and hope from the minds of our children allowing them to be led by the illusions of the digital age. Exceptions never made the rule. Of course there is more to it. I apologise everyday. Every time I see a beggar with his hand stretched out. Every time I see a tree being cut to make way for a playground or a bypass road. Every time my rupee buys me less than what it bought me yesterday. Every time I see the cloud of smog enveloping the streets in the mornings. And there's lots more here too. But I fear we are eternal optimists (didn't someone say that the only real pessimist is a dead one? :) If not our civilisation, maybe the next? This age is called Kaliyuga in our ethos. The End of Ages. The decline of civilisation has been so well described that it is frightening. And it is happening as written. Nothing is sacred anymore. In the final equation, good will be outnumbered. Crucified million times over. It is just us. Just you, Just me. And we should treasure, nurture what good there is left around in the people around us. Regardless of who they are and where they might be. Now it is time for a Dylan song dear Sir! Don't think twice it's alright :)03/12/2016 #50 Gerald Hecht#48 @Praveen Raj Gullepalli I appreciate the sentiments...sadly; it is increasingly apparent that our species --our creation...was but a failed prototype. We should all show each other as much love and respect as we can...in the brief moment we, collectively, have left. Yes, we have already sowed the seeds of our collective extinction...yet, still, as of this moment,we can turn and apologize to us --for what we have done to us; how we have all finished all of us...thank you kindly my friend....for a final (and as always) good natured reminder;03/12/2016 #48 Praveen Raj Gullepalli#46 I stopped by and saw your comment on this buzz....sitting in a hotel room in Gauhati, in the middle of official travel across Rajasthan, Delhi and now Assam. Felt like pausing and connecting with you...after a fair bit! I ask myself - Why can't we just let the others beBee? And let em do their own thingy? On a Bingee! ;) Why exhaust ourselves on things that we do not or cannot relate to? And Gerry, you produce some terrific stuff and there are many who can understand and relate to you. If someone who pissed you off real bad lived next door, would you go call him out, call him names and then kinda Brianically, shoot him out of the equation? ;) Or would you just ignore, build a wall (like others intend to) and generally paint your own better place, build your won network, connected to those who mean well, understand and matter...and let the kids grow up? To each his/her own affinity bees! It is irresistible - that urge to be judgemental, critical, condescending...and most succumb to it, more often than not; At home or at work. But I have found out that peace and stresslessness dwell just beyond those feelings. ...and like Kate said to Pete - Don't give up...;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc03/12/2016 #47 Anonymous#45 @Gerald Hecht, I suggest you to read again my most personal and probably the most valuable post on LI titled: "I'll be Back, Innovation in Self Leadership"...
"Any tendency towards unity and sublimity carries with it a certain degree of disturbance. We are our own conscience, if so discomfort is always transient in nature. When we are an authentic self-similar whole, only then a neutral equilibrium is possible." - from "I'll be Back, Innovation in Self Leadership", LI long-form post published on May 5, 2015
Only enigmatic time will reveal the results of each thought including this one.03/12/2016 #46 Gerald HechtLike this "Church of Rock and Roll guy"...seems to be the thing that people think is normal and therapeutic...for the life of me...I can't square that circle or circle that square or whatever...madness and complete stupidity is the normal "path to wholeness" ...and an exhausting effort to elucidate a "path to wholeness" is considered "crazy"...people seem to have the attention span if a flea...so a "teenage mutant fake ninjaflea with bandanna" is what saturates this platform...it doesn't matter to me anymore... I've exhausted all of my everything03/12/2016 #44 Anonymous#43 @Gerald Hecht, In the second part of the quote Meyrink suggests in a visionary way some possibilities concerning the influence of higher dimensions that are interwoven into three-dimensional perception of reality and which can not be perceived by normal senses, but which exist in accordance to string theory. The same goes for Insane and fractals, I guess :) We don't know much about mental illness.03/12/2016 #42 AnonymousThis goal can and must be attained in this life. But even if this does not happen, remember that he who has found the way once, always returns to this world with an internal maturity that enables him to continue his work. Man is firmly convinced that he is awake; in reality he is caught in a net of sleep and dreams which he has unconsciously woven himself." - Gustav Meyrink02/12/2016 #40 Mark AnthonyHey im watching a programme and there are young kids with swollen bellies due to parasite infection. This is due to washing and drinking from the same river they defecate and piss in. One child joined anti balaka to fight Seleka because his father was killed in front of him. That's not insane and there is no such thing as insane apart from in the criminal thingie world . Now that is serious shit
- Producer19/11/2016Why does the Ego exist?The following piece is my side of a discussion with a friend. Thank you to the friend for pulling this out of me with that discussion.When you use I me or mine you are defining who you are.I am.Anything after that and you are simply describing the...
- 17/11/2016Today's column 11-17-16.How To Cope With a Panic Attack At Work According To Sciencewww.inc.com Anxiety disorders affect 40-million Americans and many of them have no idea what to do to get...
Comments17/11/2016 #3 Lisa 🐝 GallagherFirst let me thank you for writing this article which is an important topic for so many @John White, MBA. Your dad had to be fairly young when he passed. I found out something interesting just last night. Those who lose parents when they are younger tend to worry about dying earlier in age too along with the pain of loss which never leaves us, it just changes with time.
You also brought up another important topic, fleeing a place to be alone when a panic attack comes on. When I first developed anxiety disease and had no clue what a panic attack was and had a fear of passing out in front of people not to mention, a fear of what the hell is happening to me?! I remember being in a store once writing a check and my sister was with me. I signed it then quickly said, you need to finish this and ran out of the store. I sat in the car crying, not sure what was going on and she came out asking, what just happened? It was so embarrassing.
Thanks for writing what you do to cope and reiterating how important it is to get help. People should not have to be embarrassed because they have an illness they have no control over. Excellent article John and I thank you for tagging me!!
- 15/11/2016"...when all the while; you're just wishing I'd fade away....Todd Rundgren - Pretending To Care - YouTubewww.youtube.com Gerald Hecht shared a...
- Producer14/11/2016Virginia Women for Trump; Pussy RiotCuba is great; it's just like Florida before all the Cubans Came --Homer Simpson's DadWhat was to follow is the true, epic and ongoing tale of the endless "wild animal like" orgasmic congress (in every conceivable sexual position and semi private...
Comments16/11/2016 #7 Gerald Hecht#5 @Paul Walters okay... it seems to be in the right place...anyway--what I wanted to tell you was that Trina (which is now what she asked me to call her) and I had our first spat; she did not think that the "Phaedrus-Analytical-Paper Knife-Thingie" was funny at all... but we got it worked out and as soon as she gets back from the bakery across the street she said we could; WHOA! BYE! I'll get ba...15/11/2016 #4 Gerald Hecht@Phil FriedmanThis came in a kit; the instructions said to do the title first...it had three tiles: 1) "Pussy Riot": a group of influential women dissidents from Russia who often speak truth to power using performance art. 2) "Virginia Women for Trump": An influential group of women in Virginia who were backing the Trump for president campaign and were gaining media attention for recruiting large numbers of supporters in "get out the vote" events. 3) A semicolon.
The instructions said to assemble the three "scrabble like" tiles in whatever order you'd like.
It was kind of like that party game "Mad Libs"...but it is called "An Libs". It came with a paper "knife" which the instructions said was to be handed from player to player --the instructions called it the "Phaedrus Knife", and said that the player holding it could rearrange the tiles...not just for the title; but for all of the tiles which could be "configured" into several alternative coherent narratives. Judging from the amount of interest generated by "An Libs", I don't think it will be a big seller this holiday season.
- 03/11/2016Inc.com article Social media and Psychopathy. A must read.
cc. @Javier 🐝 beBee, @Matt 🐝 Sweetwood, @John White, MBA, @David B. Grinberg, gh@Lisa 🐝 Gallagherim@Aurorasa Simaet@Irene HackettAre You Talking to a Psychopath? 9 Subtle Things to Look For, According to Sciencewww.inc.com A single conversation could be all you need to spot a...
Comments10/11/2016 #79 Anonymous#78 You are most welcome @Gerald Hecht, my friend. I would like to once again point out that If we try to help others, sometimes we will be on the wrong track, sometimes we will make an omission and finally, sometimes we will succeed. We should always count on all three options. That's the beauty and the agony of generosity. However, when one day we think about it, we will see that ultimately good always returns good (good prevails).10/11/2016 #76 Gerald Hecht#75 @Franci🐝Eugenia Hoffman yeah--see my "thing" is that people usually understand what I'm talking about after about two days...just about the time they realize @Milos Djukic has once again acted like a "playground tattle-tale" --regarding an issue that is beyond his comprehension in the first place; this happened so many times now; one would think users would have formed some sort of "self-correcting" (he'd like that I hope --he means well and is a nice person) mechanism by now04/11/2016 #67 John White, MBA#64 @Irene Hackett: action was taken by @Javier 🐝 beBee today regarding this matter. You can see his post for details. On a separate incident, yesterday, there were two people whose accounts were removed from beBee for bullying. It simply won't be tolerated here on beBee. Please, if you observe it in the future use the report abuse tab to flag the comment. All of those reports are reviewed and action is taken if it is indeed abusive behavior.04/11/2016 #66 Deb 🐝 Helfrich#64 Most appreciate your contribution, @Irene Hackett. Most of the time adults can be trusted to be adults. Occasionally, even those of us who don't like to impinge on anybody's discussions have to speak up as silence - in the very extreme instances - is taken as agreement.
I am speaking out because I do not want any valued member to feel hurt and alone. I want to encourage people to trust their gut if they see something crossing the line. No one will be labeled difficult for wanting to intervene when a critique of ideas crosses into a critique of a person.
I also don't appreciate the few folks minimizing it to a case of 'people come and go' when they apparently did not notice the issues. We are here to grow this site exponentially; high profile leavings based on things happening on the site should engender community discussion.
It is how things change.04/11/2016 #63 Lada 🏡 PrkicIt’s true that some successful leaders have these listed specific communication patterns. But I don’t think these patterns are related only to people labelled as psychopaths. I also doubt the results of some study that lead to such generalization. Many people used hand gestures while speaking, they sound charming, and are great storytellers.
Related to the discussion about questionable comments, last time we saw some embarrassing comments (for lack of a better word) they were explained in a way that there was a technical glitch or bug on a beBee site. It seems to me that there is only a “glitch” in someone’s head.