- Producer30/11/2016Two illusions don't make a factJoris Plaatstaal made a great comment on one of my recent buzzes titled "Conscious and Subconscious Questions". This comment led me to respond by saying that ""Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge." Joris responded by...
Comments01/12/2016 #14 David B. GrinbergThank you, Ali, for another intellectually stimulating buzz. I always gain knowledge by reading your enlightening posts -- and that's no illusion!
Another leading astronomer of his time who got it completely wrong was Copernicus, who claimed the Earth was the center of the entire universe (not just our own Milky Way Galaxy), and that everything resolved around our "pale blue dot" of a planet (to quote the late, great Carl Sagan).
I think another context in which to view the so-called illusion of knowledge in today's high-tech modern age, is information overload. This plays into the illusion of freedom. That's because when the masses of people are too consumed with online information to gain knowledge -- and simply struggling to keep up -- they may become too distracted. This distraction, in turn, could allow governments to chip away at some freedoms. The recent advent of "fake news" on Facebook and elsewhere only exacerbates this problem. Thus, the illusion of knowledge may in fact beget the illusion of ignorance. Thoughts?01/12/2016 #13 Antoinette Capasso-BackdahlThen there is the "observer effect" or the "two slit" experiment. I love quantum physics for this reason. The trick is having an open mind and not falling into the trap of biased thinking. It's a dialectic. I cannot actually put myself in your shoes but I can at least imagine being in them. That my friend is living vicariously and has helped me break through so many of my own myths and barriers that I didn't know I had been stumbling over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence01/12/2016 #12 debasish majumderknowledge is moving phenomena and it takes time to reach from unorganized to organize, crude to refined and presumption to precise, through various process and empirical approaches. nothing is constant in this world and what today seems to be relevant, later it may appear irrelevant, and that solely depends on the available matter we confront with its reflection in our faculty, unleashing a new design of dispensation to our reflection and enable us to promote greater fillip to comprehend its inherent quality, resulting to draw a new inference. naturally there is no such absolute knowledge as well values. i guess, illusion or conviction, is a reflection being emerge in our faculty out of our way of observation, resulting us to be getting confused with our own corroboration. however, unique post indeed sir @Ali Anani! enjoyed read. thank you very much for the share sir.01/12/2016 #11 Max Carter#10 I felt it was almost like a play with actors in their roles so convincingly believing in something that is an illusion.
I often find myself feeling as though my identity is a role in a move we call life. Each of us bringing our characters to the shared story to make it a grand story of existence and humanity.
It's totally improvisational and there are no scripts though we all have our favorite lines to use repeatedly.01/12/2016 #10 Deb LangeI was speaking at an event last night and everyone was sharing their different models about thinking. I could not help but wonder whether we all in an illusion that was actually being spoken about was real, relevant and helpful to the challenges we wish to overcome. I felt it was almost like a play with actors in their roles so convincingly believing in something that is an illusion.01/12/2016 #9 Deb LangeHmm, I think there is an illusion that we all know so much today, just because there is do much information around. But, I often ask where is the wisdom? We can send people to the Moon with information and knowledge but there are many human and natural challenges that we are yet to solve. And sometimes we have the knowledge but it is not implemented because of greed and power. I sense the illusion between knowledge and illusion is a big gap of a different kind of knowledge that is needed today. This is more wisdom that has more to do with awe, surprise, discovery, aesthetics, appreciation of the wonder of humanity and the world that it has to do with knowing information about things.01/12/2016 #8 Max CarterThe borderline is between illusion and understanding in my estimation.
Knowledge without understanding is useless or even worse dangerous.
It is only in the act of seeking wisdom which is understanding that you find whether the knowledge is true of false.
One can run wild with false knowledge one has never tested in life and think oneself an expert not realizing they are have been inflicting the suffering of deceit upon all the meet.
Until something is lived, the theory is or knowledge that composes the theory is useless for anything other than debate and trying to show off how smart you think you are.
It was experience that sowed us the error of Aristotle not theory and rhetoric.
You have to step of the theoretical in really living the concept or you will never understand anything you study and whether or not the knowledge is true of a false illusion to get you to build a delusional view that you never really test out because you accept that "Well they must be right , look how man y itme s it's been viewed" which is the most ignorant thing anyone could do to themselves.
A wise man makes his own decision and a fool follows public opinion. An old Chinese Proverb.30/11/2016 #7 Ali Anani#6 This is a magical comment dear @CityVP Manjit and is consistent with the comment of @Deb Helfrich. You froze my eyes while reading this part of your comment "Illusion when it has magical qualities should empower the imagination further and from that empowerment new forms of thinking can arise and that is the brewing of creative thought and when these atoms of creativity get physical, to emerge as innovation". Yes, I see the positive aspect of illusion. To fill the space between two illusions with meaning is a fantastic idea.
As always, your links are relevant and I want to read them before commenting any further.30/11/2016 #6 CityVP ManjitI don't really know what fills that borderline but I would like to think it is meaning. Illusion when it is freedom is magic. Our brains use this magic to fill in details for us and we know that this does occur when we become well versed in optical illusions.
Illusion when it has magical qualities should empower the imagination further and from that empowerment new forms of thinking can arise and that is the brewing of creative thought and when these atoms of creativity get physical, to emerge as innovation.
If we want to fill the space between illusion of knowledge and illusion of freedom, then we are free to do so but there are better options in life than to live life in escapism or fantasy, so there has to be a smarter form of fill than magic. I can't think of anything smarter than the creation of meaning.
We know how the creation of meaning was a powerful thing for Victor Frankl in his famous book "Man's Search for Meaning". At this point I want to mention a blog by David Miessler called "Meaning is an Illusion" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/meaning-is-an-illusion/#gs.ltibwtI he draws out this illusion in what he references as "chemical squirts" - that meaning is essentially a by-product of our inner chemistry unleashed by thought. The there is the Biblical quote "Everything is Meaningless" https://gotquestions.org/everything-is-meaningless.html yet if there is no meaning or magic in that space, then what else is there - just our reactive emptiness?
Freedom has a tangible quality and knowledge as a productive quality This is the same as looking for illumination. What we can do in physics https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160609150834.htm we can do with our minds - from illusion create something real or at least as real as life can be - and then what does meaning mean?30/11/2016 #5 Ali Anani#4 I agree with you @Deb Helfrich in that illusions have some positive aspects and your two examples are clear evidences. You bring to my attention the other side of illusion. Thank you. So, illusions may sometimes enhance our knowledge, hoping that it shall not become again a source of knowledge illusion. Yes, the borderline is fuzzy.30/11/2016 #4 Deb HelfrichI am learning, having fun, and making friends via the 'illusions' that I can comment in Spanish, French, Portuguese, and a number of other languages as the news feed provides. The reality is that even though it is an 'open secret' that I am mostly just copying and pasting, because I have the intent to have a real conversation, the illusion is a positive one, not a deceptive one.
I am engaging my freedom to utilize technology to bridge a borderline of communication that may be very real in face-to-face discussions, but that becomes invisible via the comments sections.
@Ali Anani a lot of human interactions come down to intent, whether illusory or not. Stories of Santa and tooth-fairies are classic examples of illusions that meet a need for adults to communicate in a playful manner with kids when they are full of flights of fantasy.
- 01/12/2016Thanks for the great conversation @Max Carter. It was time truly well spent. Every time I have had a call with someone I've connected with online, I feel enriched by adding voice and sometimes sight to the interaction, and our talk about life and how best to make a change was no exception. I appreciate your time!
- 28/11/2016Good ideas are like the waves of the ocean, they just keep arriving on shore. I might just have a series of these. I bet we all do......
- Producer26/11/2016After EightDark. Clouded. His hotel room felt lonely. Outside footsteps in the corridor. French music. The sheets covered his skinny body. Soft touch. His hand reached for his partner. She was downstairs, having breakfast. She wrote him a little love note. He...
- 25/11/2016"The group that created "Weightless", Marconi Union, did so in collaboration with sound therapists. Its carefully arranged harmonies, rhythms, and bass lines help slow a listener's heart rate, reduce blood pressure and lower levels of the stress hormone cortisol."
"In fact, listening to that one song -- "Weightless" -- resulted in a striking 65 percent reduction in participants' overall anxiety, and a 35 percent reduction in their usual physiological resting rates."
Quotes from article on Inc: http://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/neuroscience-says-listening-to-this-one-song-reduces-anxiety-by-up-to-65-percent.htmlMarconi Union - Weightless (Official Video) + Subscribe to the Most Relaxing Playlist on Spotify: http://bit.ly/MostRelaxingPlaylist + Follow Just Music on Spotify http://bit.ly/JustMusicSpotify...
Comments25/11/2016 #2 Deb Helfrich#1 This is the first I have heard of them, it took me less than 60 seconds to realize I wanted to make sure I had this for repeat listening. I still haven't gotten to the end....maybe I got too excited to have another way to relax....and as I have pointed out in other contexts, when we share videos to beBee, we can listen ad free. So I have been bookmarking the beBee buzz, rather than saving to my playlist on youtube.....
- 25/11/2016A great story teller telling a great story. A must hear, especially for the beBee community.Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie: The danger of a single story | TED Talk | TED.comwww.ted.com Our lives, our cultures, are composed of many overlapping stories. Novelist Chimamanda Adichie tells the story of how she found her authentic cultural voice -- and warns that if we hear only a single story about another person or country, we risk a...
Comments25/11/2016 #6 Deb HelfrichI have read her novel "Americanah" and it is a fascinating look into the disconnect that Africans feel as they confront African-American culture.
I would also love to urge anyone who has found themselves equating internet scammers with Nigerian princes to watch this talk - it is a damaging stereotype.
And to tell a personal story, I have to credit books with the fact that my freshmen year African roommate, who was from Ghana, did not have to bunk with someone who had no African stories of real people.
I want to challenge us all, let's ask people about their stories, rather than make generalized assumptions.25/11/2016 #4 Sara Jacobovici@Harvey Lloyd wrote:
"This video really does share the forest of human existence so well.
The forest is full of many trees and each tells us a story. In today's narrative, it would appear, we overlook many trees of the human existence. We seek out those trees that offer us a dramatic, emotional view rather than the typical.
The 80/20 rule is alive and well. The 20 describes the 80. A biased story or narrative that ensnares our imagination."25/11/2016 #2 Ali AnaniGreat and thank you my friend @Harvey Lloyd for tagging me. I am going to watch now.
I have just published a buzz dedicated to you. I hope it is worthy. I strongly invite dear @Sara Jacobovici to read as I belive it shall help her with further developing the movement equation.
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/conscious-and-subconscious-questions25/11/2016 #1 Harvey Lloyd@Ali Anani this video shared by @Sara Jacobovici really does share the forest of human existence so well i wanted to tag you.
The forest is full of many trees and each tells us a story. In today's narrative, it would appear, we overlook many trees of the human existence. We seek out those trees that offer us a dramatic, emotional view rather than the typical.
The 80/20 rule is alive and well. The 20 describes the 80. A biased story or narrative that ensnares our imagination.
I enjoyed this talk and sense it is relevant even within America.
- 24/11/2016The day I finally got all the kids to agree to watch the kind of movie I like to watch was the day they ALL fell asleep inside the first 15 minutes. I don't blame them because the film MINDWALK directed by Bernt Amadeus Capra (Brother of Fritjof Capra) really begins after 17 minutes when the three principal characters meet for the first time. The movie stars Liv Ullman who speaks on the perspective of whole systems thinking and the resulting dialogue introduces emergence as way of seeing. Next time I watch MINDWALK - for sure I will watch it alone, but I for one, really love the depth of it even if my own kids have learned to avoid it like the plague.//// MINDWALK /// 1990 movie Mindwalk ~!~ the movie is a 1990 feature film directed by Bernt Amadeus Capra, based on his own short story, based in turn on the book The Turning Point by...
Comments24/11/2016 #10 Deb Helfrich#6 I really think this was a brilliant idea - a movie-viewing club, if you will.
The setup of having a politician who is taken stage by stage through this journey of seeing the interconnectedness of everything, even up to the last bit where the poet challenges the physicist as to whether all this knowledge is worth as much as having love in your life. We discuss these themes daily in a multitude of ways, but most of my country is shrouded in self-interest and fear.
How do we get them to a version of Mont St-Michel with enough time to be taken on a journey to open their eyes?
I'm just a philosopher waiting to meet my politician, but none seem to come to my hermitage - hence my commenting dedication.24/11/2016 #9 Aurorasa Sima#5 Hahaha, well that´s reality tv. I mean ... life. From their point of view, it makes sense. They invite you to watch exciting movies, and they don´t expect analysis as a reaction.
I hardly know any current US movies. I watched one this year, "something-something fantastic beasts" ... by the Lady who made Harry Potter. Left me feeling disappointed.
I bet you gladly pay the high price and proudly watch your kids while they force you into the mind-numbing experience (:24/11/2016 #8 CityVP Manjit#7 Dear Sara, there is media which we can watch over a life and there is media which we consume as knowledge. This is what I would love to convey to my own kids, about this ability to sit with something, rather than move from one media experience to another. It is hard to teach that when this is something that we cultivate ourselves. In the way that you come to life and that sensibility is something we share, when you do watch this, I hope that you find it as enriching as I have, and still continue to do. Moreover Bernt directed this movie based on his brothers book, which is the share you have already seen in Fritjof Capra.24/11/2016 #5 CityVP Manjit#1 It may be just the opposite Aurorasa, they have no idea what they are paying in being bored by it because they want an escape, whereas I am watching a movie because it is involving me to think. Every weekend they invite me to watch movies that "normal" people watch and when I do sit down on the rare occasion that one of their flicks grabs my attention, then they are telling me not to talk over their movie - which means I must accept the mind-numbing part of the popular movie experience - and that for me is the real price. First they want me to share the experience with them, but when I do share the experience with them, they are telling me to shut up :-)24/11/2016 #4 CityVP Manjit#2 That is the beauty isn't it :-) That we have learned to see things in a way that is strange for others, yet if they did see what we see, the strange reality is that they would never go back to the way that used to see things. This is more than just viewing life as a stereogram http://www.hidden-3d.com/how_to_view_stereogram.php but that serves as a good example about seeing differently - when people see the hidden image in a stereogram, that is a practical way of showing someone that there is in life different ways of seeing.24/11/2016 #3 Deb Helfrich"The essence lies in the relationship (1:01) ....a series of interconnections like chords sequenced into melody.
At (1:21) is a great definition of systems theory
1:32 - what has to stop is the obsessive pursuit of growth
This was sooo worth watching! Apart from the fact that we are essentially stuck in the very same place when it comes to change.
- 23/11/2016Just in time for the holiday - Mark M-G points out that we can judge people's actions, but not their whole being. Tell him you stopped by from beBee, as I am working to bring him over to the hives.What about judgment?www.linkedin.com (I first posted this about a year ago and make no apology for offering it to people again. Doing so - and reading people's comments - is an important reminder for me of many things. I hope that...
- Producer21/11/2016Dabrowski's SweaterA post from @Ali Anani brought Dąbrowski to the front of my mind today. If you're not familiar with Kazimierz Dąbrowski, he was a psychologist that was particularly interested in the development and functioning of gifted children. He brought us...
Comments27/11/2016 #22 CityVP ManjitThis buzz was difficult for me to position because it spans different spectrum's of my own learning journey. I originally connected it to my yellow hive because it talked about Dabrowski (who I have not yet acquainted myself with) and curiosity about his work with "gifted children" as an intellectual treatise. If I however focused my attention on self or physical development I would have connected it to my green hive. In the end as I worked my way though it, I actually connected to my blue hive, because what I was actually picking up from this buzz was actually covering thoughts around managerial capability development and managing transitions - and so I plugged in to the business or entrepreneurial lens, and when I engage my follow up study of Dabrowski (probably after the New Year) that is how I am going to incorporate this into my learning journey. So in a strange way the connection I ended up making in my mind was linking the context of Dabrowski to the transitions Ram Charan talks about in his adaptation he calls "Leadership Pipeline" http://www.ram-charan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Leadership-Pipeline-sample.pdf - that adaptation by itself is based on the work of Elliott Jaques. Jaques was also a psychologist, but his work was originally pioneered through the Tavistock Institute. Jaques BTW beyond is work on work level transitions is famous for creating/studying the term he coined as "Mid Life Crisis".27/11/2016 #21 Sara Jacobovici#19 Thank you @Nikki Petersen, I appreciate you taking the time to respond and for sharing your thoughts and experiences. Children with children, parents with parents, anytime you bring people together, they can become territorial and offensive by making assumptions and judgments. Sad but true. The word narrative comes to mind. We each have an internal story with characters, voices, messages that have been carried over from childhood to adulthood. This narrative is fluid, ebbs and flows. It can be a great way to look at identity as it involves who we are without labels. An ongoing process but definitely worth the effort.27/11/2016 #20 Nikki Petersen#18 Oh, yes, I didn't have my meta hat on yet (not enough coffee onboard just yet). Sorry I missed that bit. Absolutely, the cycle is passed from parent to child and onward. Hopefully the good and the bad. My kids are learning about their own challenges and strengths, and as I teach them, I also teach them about their parents and grandparents in the same context. They're pretty meta, as well, so they get the breadth and depth of it all. They understand that I want them to learn my values but to develop their own sense of self, because I tell them that daily. I hope that it will have the impact I'm aiming for, in that I want them to be more evolved than my generation (as I am more evolved than the one before mine). No easy feat for a single parent!27/11/2016 #19 Nikki Petersen#9 @Sara Jacobovici, yes, this is such a deeply personal journey of self-discovery, and only one piece of it. The "G-word" as it's often referred to, has such variable impact on different audiences. Some people do react quite aggressively to it. Parents on the playground can turn downright mean when I say that one, tiny four-letter word. Friends have completely dismissed me, believing that I must be an attention seeker and that I'm not all that (and a bag of chips), and if I'm so smart why aren't I saving the world or at least some small corner of it.
But giftedness is more than intelligence. There are so many challenges related to giftedness that it's a wonder anyone can even see the IQ side of it. For quite some time, I fought for it to be more widely accepted. I am currently in a phase of not particularly identifying with it myself. You're right, though -- it is a label and if not given great care in handling, labels can turn into pathologies.27/11/2016 #18 Harvey Lloyd#17 I guess i was referring to the handing down of experience to our children as creating the loop. Parenting is the challenge. We want our children to gain from our experience, yet they themselves are unique and must experience things for themselves.
Unfortunately or fortunately depending on context, i agree, once we transcend one level we can't put the genie back in the bottle. Thanks for your response and i am reading further on this concept, it is fasinating.27/11/2016 #17 Nikki Petersen#14 @Harvey Lloyd, I never thought of it as circular, but can see what you mean. I've always considered there to be two transitions, between levels I and II, and another between IV and V, the former being that you realize you can change and the latter a realization that you are the driver of your own change. I don't feel like you can go backward once you've overcome that transition, but in reality there are a number of dips "down" into the lower levels as we ebb and flow as humans.
Thanks for your comments.27/11/2016 #16 Nikki Petersen#15 @Harvey Lloyd, parenting creates additional challenges to the ideas that Dabrowski brought forth. Understanding your kids and helping them understand themselves, while trying not to unduly influence them too far in one direction or another, but teaching them your values . . . is no simple task. And it doesn't even address their own individual challenges.
Luckily, my own children are so open, loving, and patient with me.25/11/2016 #15 Harvey Lloyd"Advances in society, through politics, philosophy and religion, are therefore commonly associated with strong individual creativity or accomplishments." (Wikipedia) I found this statement compelling, especially in today's climate.
I may be stretching the concept but with minor generalization this statement of Level 5 "Secondary Integration" would offer a path of parenting. The implications would be less authoritative and more influential in offering a philosophy/religion to our youth that establishes fundamental spiritual guidance and then allow them to experience life on their own. "Autopsychotherapy" as he described. The American Indian described this as a "Vision Quest"
Our youth seeing life through neutral truths of philosophy and religion could then establish their journey through the levels/planes without the bias of the parent's journey. This is great in theory but difficult to practice. The actions of the parents are greater than the words. We are human and sometimes our actions are less than our words.
Interesting perspective.25/11/2016 #14 Harvey LloydThanks for introducing Kazimierz Dąbrowski and his theories @Nikki Petersen. I enjoy reading about the various studies of human nature. I do find that most theories focus on self and the comparison to the social plane of existence. Typically this social plane of existence is seen as negative or as a hindrance to self. I am not well read on the Professors works but would appear at first glance, you are above, at or below the social plane when compared to the human experience. These concepts tend to focus our attention on the "fit" from a perspective of our own existence, in an effort to achieve the higher plane, presumably for our own peace and joy.
To some degree, this is a circular arguement. Certainly, the goal is to find our place in society where we experience some level of peace and joy or contentment if you will. In my belief we can't separate the human from society, no more than we can separate a tree from water. But this form of psychology tends to want us to find a higher plane than those that we exist within.
In reading the basis for Level Five "Secondary Integration" he offers up "Advances in society, through politics, philosophy and religion, are therefore commonly associated with strong individual creativity or accomplishments." (Wikipedia) Do we not create a loop or circular argument that at this level we challenge our children or social groups to hear, read and understand our higher plane. Ultimately becoming the cause and effect on those within the Level one diagnosis?
From a business perspective, specifically leadership i would tend to agree with the concepts offered up here. But would further contend that cognitive dissonance would be a factor in our personal vs professional life.24/11/2016 #11 Deb Helfrich#7 That is a very nuanced and astute reply, @Nikki Petersen. Comfort is a big theme in my life. And I believe a large part of what I have to offer in my brand - but until you put it like that, I saw comfort as only a personal pursuit.
Not to mention having a huge, life-changing disintegration phase is distinctly uncomfortable...24/11/2016 #9 Sara Jacobovici#6 Dear @Nikki Petersen, if I gave you the impression that I am deeply offended or in any way offended about giftedness or my being or not being gifted, then that was not my intent. In our struggles with identity, the exploration process of who we are is a dynamic and very personal one. It is imperative to discover things about ourselves that allow us to make sense of who we are. At the same time we have our individual identity while we live within a community; where do we belong? As social animals we need both; our own unique fingerprint and being a member of a society of others. I embrace similarities and am in awe of differences. For me its all part of the same whole. I suppose what I could of been reacting to was being told who I am based on certain characteristics. It reminded me of how I felt when I was labelled a feminist when I was engaged in issues related to empowering women. I am not a feminist and am not offended by feminism.24/11/2016 #7 Nikki Petersen#1 Hi @Deb Helfrich, thank you for your comments. I wonder if your connection between your dog's soft fur is actually part of your need for comfort? You seek for your memoir to be comforting in some way, I assume? If the sales aren't breaking records, maybe you feel like your creation isn't reaching its intended audience, and thus not providing comfort? This can definitely make you feel like you're doing something wrong in your business, and like maybe you're just not hitting the mark with your entrepreneurial efforts. That's when you look around and wonder if there's something missing, if you're working with the best materials, and if you should even being doing what you're doing. That's the disintegration piece. I've been there. It is a disturbing place to be.24/11/2016 #6 Nikki Petersen#3 @Sara Jacobovici, many adults are not aware of their giftedness, and I didn't mean to put anyone into that box. I don't consider it labeling. Frequently, the discovery process takes a long time and involves a lot of denial. For some, giftedness is irrelevant. For others, it is an explanation for why they've felt so out-of-place their entire lives. I wonder why you have such a strong objection to being classified as gifted, if you identify with so many of the characteristics? What is it about giftedness that offends you so deeply?24/11/2016 #5 Nikki Petersen#4 @Ali Anani, thank you for your kind words. I think one of the deepest misconceptions about giftedness is that it is defined purely by IQ or intellect. For me, the hallmarks are deep curiosity, intensity in pretty much everything, and a drive to learn. You certainly have all of those. :)22/11/2016 #4 Ali AnaniI am honored by my mention in your post @Nikki Petersen. I am also pleased that our first "encounter" led to this interesting buzz.As two of my favorite people @Deb Helfrich and @Sara Jacobovici I say WOW! Than you Deb for tagging me to this enjoyable and challenging nbuzz.
The post Nikki refers to is for documentation is:
I voiced a similar resoonse tio ine of Nikki's comments on the linked buzz by saying "But, I would love to know about those people who are less gifted- do they leave what they gained out of what? This is a question that you got my mind percolating about". So, the comment of Sara here throws relevant points.
As you wrote NIkki in your buzz "The way to change it is by receiving new input, new opinions, new feedback, and new socialization that reflects new ideas. With all that newness, it’s not shocking that people resist change, is it??
WEll, I assure you I say wow because you gave me new ideas, new perspectives and ways to knit my sweater the way I wish. I don't know if I am gifted or not, but I shall try to knit my own. Thank you
- Producer14/11/2016Lines in the Sand“Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world...would do this, it would change the earth.” ― William Faulkner I saw this photo and for...
Comments16/11/2016 #16 Joel Anderson#15 Thank you @Deb Helfrich Not that I am fixated on the topic of lines but your comment reminded me of a moment in time when my daughter and I were having a conversation about early childhood development. The discussion reminded me of a poignant experience in my life. Every once in awhile, my schedule would allow me to engage with my kids in their classrooms. On one occasion, I found myself sitting down with one of my daughters and a group of youngsters in a small classroom filled with a lot of these little future contributors. It was coloring time. One of the kids was getting frustrated and would color, stop, color, stop, look exasperated. I came over to see what the issue was and why the tears were welling up during an activity that was just supposed to be fun. I looked at this youngster, and then at the very clearly defined lines of a picture that were supposed to be colored within. In this particular case, the lines and marks of the crayons were all over the place. I just looked at the picture and this young child and said, "this is one of the most beautiful pictures I have ever seen." In an instant, the tears subsided, a smile arrived and the coloring went on with a renewed passion and sense of purpose. And it didn't hurt that I was handed a crayon to help color my own lines. My initial inclination was to color within the lines but was told with emphasis--"Its Ok to color outside of the lines." It is all about perspective. :)16/11/2016 #15 Deb Helfrich#14 This is perhaps one of the best responses I have ever gotten, @Joel Anderson. And I have pondered a little more about leaving footprints and lines in the sand. Because it is important to take the difficult stands and draw the crucial lines.
I think that it is not the marks themselves that matter, it is the ability to make them again and again and again when life gives us the moments that matter. And to be willing to make the marks so often - DANCE! - that we become known as people who will make the footprints and lines.16/11/2016 #14 Joel Anderson@Deb Helfrich I have thought a lot about your comment and have gone back to the picture multiple times since I posted this piece. As I thought about the messiness of it all, I was reminded of a quote attributed to Alan Watts "The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance." Which then led me to think about a few lines from Lee Ann Womack's "I hope you Dance" "And when you get the choice to sit it out or dance, I hope you dance. I hope you never fear those mountains in the distance, Never settle for the path of least resistance, Livin' might mean takin' chances but they're worth takin'." You and the others like you are the ones who inspire me to just want to dance despite the fuzzy lines and messiness of it all.15/11/2016 #8 Deb HelfrichI have been mesmerized for hours over that photo, @Joel Anderson. I can't remember if you have been around when the playa paintings of Andres Amador have been shared - I simply never tire of his work: http://www.andresamadorarts.com/
I have always celebrated that my own lines are swirling and complicated and situational - I refuse to trace from anyone else's lines. And to offer a slightly different perspective, if I am not attached to my lines, if I can be at peace with the thought that they can disappear with the wind or the tide, then I am available to shift into what is occurring rather than relying on the belief of lines that may have evaporated with a changing world.
We are aligned in the necessity of making lines as part of fixing what is broken and moving the world forward into a more sustainable future for the planet and all its ecosystems.14/11/2016 #7 CityVP ManjitWhat a beautiful picture. Privacy is one of the lines I like and another is mental and emotional bandwidth. As Clint Eastwood said in a far different contest "a man's gotta know his limitations". Once I have established a firm foundation which is akin to what is said in Matthew 7:24 - "to build your house on rock and not sand" - then the world opens up to me as a change agent.
I don't make it a raison detre to change the world, nor want to change a single thing about Joel Anderson or any other person. The transformations that incur in me, occur because of sound values, learning from my mistakes, appreciating my strengths, valuing the love that is around me, count the blessings of a wonderful life and have the humility to learn and develop.
As each one of us become a light, we add one more unit of brightness into the world. Then I can deal with the lines that imprison us, the lines that do not make sense yet continue to persist and as I engage all these kind of lines, get back to the picture of the lines in the sand and acknowledge the wonder of it all. What a precious thing life is and even more precious when it is priceless.14/11/2016 #4 Sara Jacobovici@Joel Anderson, this buzz proves that you're walking the talk; you're leaving footprints. The beautiful image you offer is non-linear reflecting, from my perspective, that our movement in time is non-linear. Seems that everything related to time occurs more in patterns like those in the sand. The word "before" has a double meaning; either of something that came from the past or is placed ahead of us. More like moving around in circles ;-)14/11/2016 #2 Harvey LloydThe symmetrical lines are captivating. Seeing the chart and the timeline certainly does give one pause to consider are current status and how it may impact our future. The quote is appropriate and would add that the definitions of honesty and truth have been blurred. I believe that your growth chart demonstrates why.
Technology has globalized our reach and we can share experiences and find confidence on our personal truth/honesty that comes with no performance requirements. Before technology your truth was tested and formed within a community's survival, everyday.
- Producer15/11/2016Adaptations to Emotional FloodingI am not discussing the flooding of markets with products. I am not discussing the flooding of information. I am interested in this buzz to talk about emotional flooding and its consequences. I am tempted to write this buzz having read the buzz...
Comments16/11/2016 #74 Ali Anani#72 @Deb Helfrich- your dog example is more than apt. @Max Carter wrote a buzz as inspired by this buzz and his buzz too has drawn some great comments. I plan to write my next buzz to elaborate more on some of the points you highlight in your comment. Negative shouldn't mean bad. Without negative pressures water shall not move more than 30 meters from the roots of a tree to its top. A battery shall not function without the positive and negative anodes together. But we can't deny that there stressing emotions that if we allow to escalate and flood us they shall cause severe health problems. I again emphasize that it is our attitude that counts.
I strongly agree with you on this issue " So we are quite likely to have emotional responses parallel to the adults that raised us, but the underlying situations may be vastly different".16/11/2016 #73 Max Carter#72 There is no model is the problem and people are searching for a model or technical guide to tell them what's right and what's wrong and too many over history and currently are far too willing to sell them one keeping them crutched and never searching within.
One knows why one feels the way one does, it's when we tell people not to feel this way about this or that and then we pass project self-judgment onto others insisting they reflect our projected self image as their own and condemn them the fate we chose for ourselves.16/11/2016 #72 Deb HelfrichThere are some really important points of @Max Carter's that I want to highlight. To start. I have another, less emotional, and more observable parallel to the damage we do in assigning the concept of positive and negative - judgement - to emotions. My dog smells everything for information; she doesn't label one smell bad and one smell good, she drinks in all the scent particles. Sometimes lingering, sometimes rolling in them, but mostly just letting them waft by. The human need for judgement causes problems in all kinds of ways, but with the inevitability of emotions, we have an especially damaging problem.
Furthermore, he mentioned that we learned how to feel emotions by mimicking the adults around us. Big, big, big observation. It is how we learned language, too. Rules (grammar) and judgements come much later on, as our brains only develop that analytical aspect much later. So we are quite likely to have emotional responses parallel to the adults that raised us, but the underlying situations may be vastly different.
Both points bring us back to learning to adapt to our actual current conditions, perhaps using biomimicry as a great model, so that we stay in the flow of life, and its seasons and chaotic events, rather than letting emotions hijack our higher analytical intelligence. Hard stuff, but it comes back to awareness again and again and again.
@Ali Anani's metaphor of flooding is apt. We can grow into the ability to manage our emotions as a river that never threatens the banks of our peace of mind.16/11/2016 #66 Ali AnaniPart 2
A negative is a loss and the only loss that we truly experience is the loss of growth and learning when we ignore our emotions or other people because we use words such as Negative to describe the emotion and therefore the person.
During a recent visit to my dentist, he said that the new "artificial teeth" shall stick in my mouth by negative pressure. Here negative is doing a great job and very positively. I think the distortion comes from our attitudes to view negative as bad. Joy is great and positive; however excessive joy is harmful and becomes harmful. It is our attitudes that we may think we may have joy without having pain or that joy is always a good thing regardless of its quality and quantity. Sometimes we need to say the positive pole and negative pole of a battery. The positive pole alone or the negative pole alone shall not make the battery work. It is the presence of both that we may have a working battery. You ignited the battery of my mind, Max.16/11/2016 #65 Ali AnaniPart 1
I urge readers of this buzz to read the buzz of @Max Carter (the link is given in my previous comment). I commented on this great buzz by writing:
This is an amazing buzz @Max Carter- You make me think and rethink. I am honored that my buzz and the discussions inspired you with writing such a profound buzz. In fact, you too inspire me to write a buzz on same, but using a different approach. I shall do soon.
I read this buzz twice before responding and the following segments from your buzz caught my attention:
Psychologically speaking by saying some emotions are negative we will do anything we can to avoid them or someone experiencing them16/11/2016 #60 Ali Anani#56 @Deb Lange- as I mentioned in one of my responses to @Max Carter trees know fear, but accept it. They store certain nutrients for winter times. They change the direction of their leaves so as not to get exposed to intense sunlight. Trees may use alternative roots to find oxygen instead of the deleted oxygen in the water-depleted oxygen. That accept fear and adapt to it. Adaptation isn't controlling; it is mobility to move to finding solutions. Honestly, I fail to see big differences in our thinking.16/11/2016 #59 Ali Anani#54 Negative is made more negative by our attitudes. Negative emotions and positive ones co-exist, but in what proportions depends on us. I feel too I am in the rabbit hole, but I am not afraid to learn and find my way out. Thank you @Max Carter View more#54 Negative is made more negative by our attitudes. Negative emotions and positive ones co-exist, but in what proportions depends on us. I feel too I am in the rabbit hole, but I am not afraid to learn and find my way out. Thank you @Max Carter for this discussion has added lots of questions for me to ponder upon. Close16/11/2016 #58 Ali Anani#53 I am not less than you enjoying those convos @Max Carter. In fact not only enjoying, but also learning. Attitudes have a role and intentions too do. Therefore I enjoyed greatly this segment of your comment "They allowed the possible reward cloud their judgment by allowing fear to guide them. Afraid if they don;t make it big they will have no love in their life". Yes, they allowed fear to guide them and this is the point how not to let such fear to take its grip on us. Trees store carbohydrates for fear of not having enough supplies of it during winter. Trees accept fear and know how to deal with it. We too need to do the same.16/11/2016 #56 Deb Lange#49 The person you mention, may not have realised that there was something fishy. That person may feel shame. I would advise for them to give themselves much self-love to heal the shame. Shame needs acceptance that we were not wrong in this situation. If I hide, which is what shame wants to do, I will be perpetuating the energy of shame, as if I was wrong. As @Max carter says, we get tangled up when we cast negative and positive judgements on our lives, rather than saying that just is. I don't think trees judge that is bad, that is good. they weather the storms, the sunny days, and they may "know" the sunny days, allow their growth, the windy days sow seeds, or help them drop their leaves. Nothing to judge, a windy day just is a windy day. being sad because my Mother passed on, is not bad or good, it is a human expression of loss of a loved one. I think Ali, we may have a slight misinterpretation of what we both mean by control. Best wishes to you.
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Comments24/10/2016 #9 LQ McDonald III#2 This is just a beautiful bit of writing and a powerful illustration of the the mind body connection and how we can internalize so much emotion that we can actually manifest physical maladies because of it. I think Naming your fears, pulling them from the dark spaces where they are free to grow and an distort without our knowledge, is such an amazing and cathartic practice. It takes such an amazing amount of courage, not only to face your fears, but expose them to the light of public discourse and by doing so, I think Gary has presented a powerful exercise that can help a lot of people approach their fears with just enough light to expose them as the false impediments that they are. Thank you for this, Gary!22/10/2016 #5 Franci Eugenia HoffmanFear in itself is enough to fuel undesirable feelings but to have lingering memories of frightening events becomes too much to bear. I was an only child and left alone a lot. I used to hide under the covers at night too. Things that we experience as children have an everlasting impact on our adult lives. It's unfortunate how misunderstood the suffering is.21/10/2016 #4 Jared WieseThere's a tie between this and your other post on Love/gratitude....
The more complete quote is “Gratitude is the antidote to the two things that stop us: fear and anger. Fear is why we don’t take action and anger is why we get stuck. You can’t be grateful and angry simultaneously. You can’t be fearful and be grateful simultaneously. So it’s really the reset button.”
See http://philosiblog.com/2013/03/08/gratitude-is-the-antidote-to-the-two-things-that-stop-us-fear-and-anger/21/10/2016 #3 Jared Wiese@Gary Sharpe, I can totally see the mind/fear connections and resulting health effects. As you know I have RLS, but also believe there's a lot more to it than family history.
The power of various stimuli: thoughts, words, music... The resulting emotions and states... The impacted body.
THANK YOU for sharing. I hope indeed it is cathartic.21/10/2016 #1 Deb LangeI agree with you @GarySharpe. It is profound when we reconnect how our thoughts affect our physical body and our wellness. This is so important. I believe it is yet again another consequence since Descartes declared the body had nothing to do with thoughts 200 years ago. The years of reductionist science and thinking by separating things has had all kinds of unintended consequences. Thank heavens we have been focussing on the connections and integrations for some time now. We are still in transition. as reductionism impregnated our thinking like a virus and most of us are not aware that we are separating our thoughts from our body. Many people do not know how they feel if you ask them, and will respond with 'I think" . Language is so important. Dropping into our bodies and reconnecting with our physicality results in great openings to release tension and fear as you say, that we did not even recognise that we had. You might like my post and my new book that will be published shortly. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@deb-lange/trust-your-senses-embodied-wisdom-for-the-modern-age
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Comments15/11/2016 #2 Deb HelfrichEach time I read this, @Gary Sharpe, I find something new to see. Which is what it is all about for me. Each star has a distinct perspective, that accounts for its twin, even though they are in orbit and seemingly in synch. Perspective is not a universal force, just a stage of the ever forward rotation, so it will always be subject to changes in the gravitational forces of love.
- Producer13/11/2016KundaliniAs we Delve Deeper together, as we Gather Pace here, I want to return now to a major theme: the new understanding that we should recast our view of Dis-ease not as something sent to test us, but as an opportunity, a catalyst, for personal,...
Comments13/11/2016 #1 AnonymousAgain @Gary Sharpe, I am breathless. It is both mysterious and ironic, the power of pain, "my Dis-ease allowed me to glean just what we are all missing by being Closed." What I am a witness to is the coming of a man into his full, 3 dimensional being. Where once there were closed compartments - the doors are now freely open. Please keep sharing.
- Producer12/11/2016Acts of Love [Intimacy]Acts of Love.In the adult Stage of our lives, we humans, like all animals who go two-by-two, engage in Physical Acts together. Amongst the Extras - those animals which only play small parts, low down on the role-call - these Actors play their parts...
Comments16/11/2016 #9 Max CarterHere's the thing, sex and intimacy have nothing to do with each other. You are intimate with the people who you make yourself the most vulnerable to with what you share about yourself and how much their opinion actually means to you. That is building intimacy through trust. You can have that without sex and you can have sex without intimacy. When intimacy is built prior to the sex, that is when you have the greatest of tantric experiences as my experience has been after study and application of the art form.13/11/2016 #6 Deb LangeIntimacy, yes we are all "connected' via technology, but how often do we experience real intimacy? yet, with intimacy ,we open up to sensing and connecting with ourselves and others that enrich our experience beyond measure. When we connect intimately we are open to the source of our creativity. Thank-you for sharing of yourself so we can be intimate together.13/11/2016 #3 AnonymousTruly one of the most deeply moving expressions of true love that I've read in a long time. I am breathless as I read this: "I am discovering there is so very much for Humans to gain by Acts of Love. And it totally transcends physical Acts of Love, Superior Emotional Expressiveness and making each other feel like they are indeed, an Audience of just one in the whole wide Universe."
- 12/11/2016"Life has many ways of testing a person's will, either by having nothing happen at all or by having everything happen all at once." ~Paulo Coelho
- 06/11/2016I Just came across David Abram's central thesis of his book "The Spell of the sensuous" Perception and Language in a More-Than-Human World (1996)
David talks about
"What is characteristic of his account of perception is the centrality that the body plays. We perceive the world through our bodies; we are embodied subjects, involved in existence. Further the ability to reflect comes from a pre-reflective ground that serves as the foundation for reflecting on actions. In other words we perceive phenomena first, then reflect on them via this mediation which is instantaneous and synonymous with our being and perception in,as,and with body, i.e. embodiment !
@Ali Anani , @Sara Jacobovici I think you might find this particularly interesting or already know much about it.
I'm intrigued on what he says in this video about how Reading the alphabet affects human unfolding with the animate earth. I really need to read more on this, to say anything about what he points out here. But I would love to hear what my beBees know on this and I hope it throws some interesting discussions. Thank you :)Dr. David Abram: How Reading Affects US David Abram, author of "The Spell of the Sensuous" discusses the shadow side of alphabetic literacy: our estrangement from the surrounding world of nature....
Comments08/11/2016 #11 Fatima Williams#6 Enthralling thoughts dear @Sara Jacobovici Now I hope why everyone knows your thoughts are golden and I thank you for sharing them with us.
This is my take away among many you just addressed.
"Any tool or innovation has the potential for further development and growth through engagement with ourselves, others and our environment or to detach and cut us off from this potential. What it comes down to is choice; how we choose, or not, to engage with the world around us."
We have the clay in our hands it's up to us to make a beautiful thing out of it or jjust trash it out. We need to take care as the clay is soft in the beginning and behinds to hard out quickly so we must take our time and treasure each moment with it. Thank you once about to both my golden beBees Ali Anani and Sara.08/11/2016 #10 Deb LangeDavid Abram is one of my heroes! Dear Fatima - stay connected , I think you will like my book. trust your senses - embodied wisdom for the modern age - it will be on Amazon in about 2 weeks. I sharecmy experience reconnecting the mind body connection with self, other and nature. I love that you are passionate about this too!08/11/2016 #8 Ali Anani#7 You are a treasure to beBee with your spot on comments and buzzes @Sara Jacobovici. I love this quote from the poem:
feeling the blessings of the Supreme Spirit.
I lived in the brotherhood of all beings.
Feeling the blessing- what a great way to make our perceptions blessed.08/11/2016 #7 Sara JacoboviciPart 2/2
An example of someone who grew up in the oral tradition using the alphabetized language to connect.
For thousands of years
I have spoken the language of the land
and listened to its many voices.
I took what I needed
and found there was plenty for everyone.
The rivers were clear and thick with life,
the air was pure and gave way
to the thrashing of countless wings.
On land, a profusion of creatures abounded.
I walked tall and proud
knowing the resourcefulness of my people,
feeling the blessings of the Supreme Spirit.
I lived in the brotherhood of all beings.
I measured the day
by the sun's journey across the sky.
The passing of the year was told
by the return of the salmon
or the birds pairing off to nest.
Between the first campfire and the last
of each day I searched for food,
made shelter, clothing and weapons,
and always found time for prayer.
- Chief Dan George08/11/2016 #6 Sara JacoboviciPart 1/2
1. "What is characteristic of his account of perception is the centrality that the body plays. We perceive the world through our bodies; we are embodied subjects, involved in existence. Further the ability to reflect comes from a pre-reflective ground that serves as the foundation for reflecting on actions. In other words we perceive phenomena first, then reflect on them via this mediation which is instantaneous and synonymous with our being and perception in,as,and with body, i.e. embodiment !”
Agreed. Ali Anani's comment #2 says it eloquently.
2. “I'm intrigued on what he says in this video about how Reading the alphabet affects human unfolding with the animate earth.”
Limited to what I am hearing him say in this brief video, I cannot agree. The alphabet became a tool just like fire or the wheel to enable human interaction with others and our environment. There is a difference between the oral and written traditions; the difference, however, is based on the meaning each culture gives to communication and transmission of thoughts, feelings and history. The best example of why I feel language, or as he refers to it as the alphabetized language, is not a means through which humans detach, is simply by reading any of the myriad of poets and authors, and playwrights, cross-generationally, cross-culturally, who use the alphabetized language to engage and connect with people and nature.
Any tool or innovation has the potential for further development and growth through engagement with ourselves, others and our environment or to detach and cut us off from this potential. What it comes down to is choice; how we choose, or not, to engage with the world around us.06/11/2016 #2 Ali AnaniI am stunned twice- by the quality of this buzz and of the synchronicity between us dear @Fatima Williams. Just before glancing this buzz I was wondering about our fractal bodies and if our behaviors are fractals too (they are as reflected by the fractal stock markets, to give one example). I wa reading this:
The Universe is built on a plan the profound symmetry of which is somehow present in the inner structure of our intellect.
-- Paul Valery
If you like fractals, it is because you are made of them. If you can’t stand fractals, it’s because you can’t stand yourself. It happens.
-- Homer Smith, Computer Engineer, Art Matrix
Our fractal bodies operate my having a large surface area compared to the volume. For example, or langs have a large surface area have their capacity to work well because of their large surface are. So are our brains. We perceive the world through our bodies, but our bodies are fractal. How do we increase the surface are of or perception so that it may operate well? Do we need to have fractal perception? I have yet to watch the video and think deeper. I am amazed by sharing this buzz to fractals forever because this is the right hive for it. You wrote " In other words we perceive phenomena first, then reflect on them via this mediation which is instantaneous and synonymous with our being and perception in,as,and with body, i.e. embodiment"! I need to find the fractal perception and I have a lot to think about. Great buzz that is worthy of sharing.06/11/2016 #1 Deb Helfrich"The letters usurp that participation - they short-circuit that reciprocity" ... with all the other environmental 'languages' that our senses can make available to us.
I have alluded to this a couple times over the last few days. I know things in my head in a not strictly verbal way, and images aren't always prominent and when I know something this way - I feel jarred back into language if asked a question. Like scratching a turntable stylus....
I don't actually enjoy writing as an activity in the way I see a lot of folks here do, because in part, I feel disconnected from my own knowledge when I attend to the task of writing it out.
- 01/11/2016Balancing time and space in the brain: New model holds promise for predicting brain dynamicsstfi.re For as long as scientists have been listening in on the activity of the brain, they have been trying to understand the source of its noisy, apparently random, activity. In the past 20 years, "balanced network theory" has emerged to explain this...
Comments01/11/2016 #2 Aurorasa Sima#1 It´s so fascinating and great how the young science of the brain shares new exciting findings every other day.
I thank you for your comment. It´s clear that you enjoyed the post and that was my aim.
I am looking forward to seeing if the model can live up to the confident expectations.01/11/2016 #1 Deb HelfrichFantastic share, @Aurorasa Sima
"In the context of this balance, neurons are in a constant state of tension. According to co-author Matthew Smith, assistant professor of ophthalmology at Pitt and a member of UPBI, "It's like balancing on one foot on your toes. If there are small overcorrections, the result is big fluctuations in neural firing, or communication."
Tension! There is a thin line between everything, perhaps most especially what we tend to currently think of as opposites like love and hate. Both are extremely salient and excitatory.
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Comments17/10/2016 #12 Denise Da Vinha Ricieri#9 @Thiago Smicelato, eu e @Vera Bahiense já combinamos que tão logo superemos nossos pequenos entraves e compromissos por aqui, iremos visitar o Big Quarter Hive em Madrid e levaremos um "kit Brazil" para que nosso verde-amarelo se espalhe por aí! Aguardem que 2017 vem sendo muito planejado! Mil obrigadas!17/10/2016 #8 Tifany Rodio@Denise Da Vinha Ricieri, quanto carinho! Posso falar em nome de toda a equipe do beBee que contar com seus artigos e sua sempre ativa participação em nossa rede social é uma honra. Fico realizada em saber que o beBee deu asas à Denise pesquisadora que é apaixonada por livros e tecnologias. Obrigada pelos elogios a nossa equipe brazuca (@Marcos Vinicius Fernandes Ferreira, @Breno Barreto e @Thiago Smicelato). A comunicação conosco será sempre um canal aberto. Fique à vontade para trocar ideias, conhecimento, sugestões 😄 Obrigada também por entender tão bem o conceito do beBee e nos ajudar a crescer. Que sua relação com nossa rede social e com os demais usuários seja duradoura e gere bonitos frutos. Um grande e especial abraço 🐝15/10/2016 #6 Deb Helfrich@Denise Da Vinha Ricieri - I have been thinking a lot about how you contrasted thinking 'outside the box 'with the possibilities of the hexagon. It is truly strange that bees, in their wisdom, chose a more complex structure than us humans who are so fond of our square boxes, and cubicles, and pieces of paper..... In adding just one more side, the bees created a much more organic shape, one that much more easily accommodates the circular forms of living things and that is what is happening on beBee...
The hives are much more accommodating to real, complex people rather than the stick figure professionals we had to constrain ourselves to on the other chained in site.
Thank you again for such a kind and generous compliment. I feel so much opportunity is possible as we all expand our friendships globally. As I said recently, we will very soon have a hive dedicated to all the business partnerships launched via beBee - it will be a joy to watch!14/10/2016 #1 Denise Da Vinha RicieriI would like to dedicate this "beBee way of being" text to @Tifany Rodio (in name of all beBee team in both, Spain and Brazil). But, also to my new bee-connect-friend @Deb Helfrich that has accompanied me and have exchange ideas with me on our affinities and new abilities. She represents the best value brought to my interactions here, in Bebee.
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Comments03/10/2016 #24 Leckey Harrison#17 It certainly points out the differences between the containers we all are, in terms of capacity and fragility. One of those hiding boogey men though is cortisol, which is no friend to the hippocampus and is a precursor to growth of the amygdala. I like your phrase, "cytokine shower." It doesn't help that we're constantly activated, never fighting/flighting, and not releasing. I'm grateful the body has an answer to that problem.03/10/2016 #22 Gerald HechtAnd as Spinoza would remind us; this is a (two sided) coin https://www.bebee.com/producer/@gerald-hecht/another-type-of-paradigm-shift03/10/2016 #19 Ian WeinbergAs regards the effectiveness of speech-based cognitive intervention, I agree that the unique subjectivity of each individual will determine not only what is filtered but what unique emotional tags exist that will trigger (and be triggered) by specific chemical configurations. I dealt with this concept to a degree in a previous buzz – see https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ian-weinberg/challenging-limiting-beliefs-20993 It should be noted however that Broca’s speech area is expressive and if compromised, should not affect comprehension and recall (Wernicke’s area). In any event I have no literature indicating that adrenaline (or cortisol) affects Broca’s or Wernicke's areas. Raised adrenaline and noradrenaline specifically compromise pre-frontal cortical activity (Arnsten). High cortisol levels do indeed compromise hippocampal function and thus declarative memory and in the chronic state lead to hippocampal atrophy as well as cortical atrophy (both reversible with timely cognitive intervention).03/10/2016 #17 Ian Weinberg@Deb Helfrich @Gerald Hecht @Leckey Harrison Based on nature-nurture determinants and the narrative which evolved thereafter though the life path, we have indeed found comfort zones in different spaces of the autonomic fluctuation range. However I’ve emphasized here the final common pathway which triggers inappropriate pro-inflammatory cytokine secretion and resultant morbidity. This final common pathway should be seen as an integrated combination of several components and their fluctuating configurations. So for example there are those that when challenged in conflict, experience an adrenaline high but since they enjoy conflict, also develop a dopamine gratification component. They walk away without a cytokine shower. Conversely there is the fearful individual with a compromised self-esteem who, when challenged in conflict experiences a marked rise in adrenaline (fear) together with a severe insult to self-esteem which devolves into hopeless-helpless (low dopamine) and a consequent predisposition to a cytokine shower. And so on and so forth. There is a final common chemical pathway with fluctuating components which deftly play the cytokines, but nevertheless each component has validated ‘end-organ’ effects.03/10/2016 #16 Leckey Harrison#14 I'd love to hear/see that @Gerald Hecht! You're right, and we all know exactly what that looks like when you ask someone to pass the butter and they act like you said their mom was a disease ridden whore. Completely "over the horizon," and, will often include the reason: "Pass the butter, will you?" "IT WASN'T MY FAULT I GOT FIRED!! THE BOSS HATED ME AND MY CO-WORKERS STABBED ME IN THE BACK HOW AM I GOING TO PAY THE MORTGAGE AND KEEP MY HEALTH INSURANCE!?! AND LEAVE MY MOM OUT OF THIS! (add profanities as appropriate)03/10/2016 #14 Gerald Hecht#10 @Deb Helfrich I just read @Leckey Harrison comment as it pertains to speech areas in the cortex; it "snapped" my sense of humor back...an insight into the way we sound when we are emotionally "over the horizon"... the best we can come up with is spastic half stuttered profanities --usually not even the "appropriate profanities for optimal impact!" I'm laughing pretty hard now...a comedic "bit" is born!03/10/2016 #12 Leckey Harrison#8 Pt 2 - As the body releases it will affect memory. THEN is a good time to begin talking, to establish the true narrative, and a therapist may be wanted for that. They can help process. What I do for clients is give witness to their experience is they so choose to talk about it. Pre-verbal trauma will never have words, though, and I suspect that pre-abstract capabilities might not either. The narrative though, is important.03/10/2016 #11 Leckey Harrison#8 Very well said, @Deb Helfrich. The issue is compounded then when the stress/trauma response energy isn't expended in fight or flight. Dr. Bruce McEwen says that chronic stress will actually atrophy the cortices, so I already see a hurdle in using talk therapy as a primary tool for trauma. Another hurdle is that the brain has a default path when the brain stem is activated. The first parts to shut down are areas of the cortices that deal with higher level functioning. One of those areas are the speech centers like Broca's Area. That is going to make talking about it later a tad more difficult, because the body was low on speech processing, high on sensation and autonomic functioning. Another hurdle that compounds with chronic stress and unreleased trauma is the effect that the biological chemistry of chronic stress (think cortisol) has on the memory and emotional processing areas of the brain. The result is distorted memory, lack of memory formation, and dysregulated memory, meaning, traumatic events are stored in procedural memory until they are discharged, rather than in declarative memory. For example, I show up on a scene with a drunk driver who almost kills his passenger. I show up in time to help with the extracation, and the driver is out of the car, unhurt, glassy eyed (sensation recording), and talking. I process the scene, patient is alive and will make it, and then leave. That gets added to the pile of experiences under a highly activated SNS with all the attached emotional possibilities. Keep in mind the chronic stress effects mentioned above. A year later I'm called to court to testify about what the driver said on the scene.
Really?03/10/2016 #10 Deb Helfrich#9 A round of applause, Gerry. It is effing insidious. Seriously take a look into TRE - not just for yourself but you are in a perfect place to get others the help they need because they won't understand what is even happening. As we've been talking - the hurricane events themselves are the tip of the iceberg. And once the CNS moves towards hair trigger, talk fails. Just yesterday almost the same thing happened. Gary told me I made him go off. I repeated to him "I made you go off." Yes, he said I was talking - about the unique metabolic fuel properties of ketone esters - I guess some people might dose off.....
Leckey's site is a good place to start - Look at the tremoring in the wild video - you will get it!
https://raiseyourresilience.com/resources/videos/03/10/2016 #9 Gerald Hecht#7 @Deb Helfrich so right--on so many points; I can even see now --when reading my comments; I was in the very "state"...I was furiously trying to draw attention to...that's an interesting "metaproblem" and one that the recent near total destruction of my habitat has given me a hair trigger response too...when I don't feel like people are taking this issue seriously enough...I enter the very state of mind that kills; the person making the lighthearted comment that "set me off" IS ALREADY IN THE HEALTHY MENTAL/EMOTIONAL STATE...03/10/2016 #8 Deb HelfrichPT2 -
I have to mention TRE & bring @Leckey Harrison into the discussion. We seem built to process the biological consequences of stress and trauma via moving the body - shaking. This is our signal the attack is over and let's get moving again and have our body process all the adrenaline etc so we can move back into parasympathetic mode.
Ian Weinberg, your list is great to help us continue to dwell in parasympathetic but the crucial and much neglected process is how to move back to calm functioning after our bodies were hijacked by fear and all the resulting neurochemicals that put us into a very restricted biological mode. It seems that Talk is not very effective at signalling this process. It helps our conscious mind, but that is a tiny little speck of a processor. The body takes control when fear of attack is triggered and operates faster and more efficiently that we could via thinking only. So it makes sense that there is a physical component that would initiate all the back to safety mode processes.03/10/2016 #7 Deb HelfrichI have a passenger seat view of how utterly devastating this feedback cycle can be when it gets tipped out of balance, and it really bugs me that we pay lip service to the whole concept of reducing stress, but if we spend too much time in sympathetic mode it will begin to kill us - no doubt about it.
What I see to be a very similar problem as we have with diet -each person has unique nutritional needs based on their short and long term eating patterns - each person has a uniquely wired CNS - so what triggers the back and forth into feeling attacked or safe is not easy to pinpoint or give generic guidelines to address.
@Ken Boddie seems to be wired in scultivating "flow' via challenges and activity would be the way to keep him in parasympathetic mode.
Lotus position meditation works for only a rather small section of the population.
And Gerald Hecht harch that shows that when you become 'fit' you will have better control iouciously of w@Ian Weinberg things trigger you into feeling attacked. Which sort of means we are harming people with the imprecise way that reducing stress is currently seen to align with being still. That is physiological dissociation and that is even more harmful.03/10/2016 #6 Gerald Hecht#1 @Ken Boddie FWIW, the repercussions of what @Ian Weinberg is talking about--are about the worst way for a person to die; a Pro-Inflammatory Cytokine Storm in the Central Nervous System...that has switched into "full positive feedback mode" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@gerald-hecht/on-here-comes-the-sun
- Producer22/09/2016Be Mindful of the Pain You ChoseJohn White shared this last week - Sept 14th based on the date I saved it to my desktop. It is funny, I can't remember what was happening on that day that was the impetus for me to find this so poignant that I wanted it front and center. But I see...
Comments23/09/2016 #10 Deb Helfrich#9 #8 Really important point - physical pain is how our body talks to us. I know for a fact that my sensitivity to bodily pain is why I am so healthy. I feel it acutely, which makes me highly curious, which drives me to find a solution quickly.
But mental pain - that is a little complex. And I might be unique, but I cause myself pain that exists solely in my own thought processes. Because of lingering over the past - wanting to change something OR dwelling in the future - trying to predict what may happen so I can struggle today to avoid potential future pain.
This quote speaks to me as a way to evaluate whether the mental pain is part of growing or part of spinning my own wheels way past the point when the oil has broken down23/09/2016 #8 Sara JacoboviciPS @Deb Helfrich. In the discussion of pain, from my perspective, I see pain as a communication, our body or psyche is letting us know something is happening, alerting us, bringing our attention to something. It may not feel good, or we may not like it but, in many ways, thank goodness for it.23/09/2016 #7 Lisa GallagherI missed this poster by @John White, MBA @Deb Helfrich. Im glad you reposted it with a buzz. Pain will either hold some people back or ignite them to break free from the pain in order to find peace and hopefully a life that is filled with more pleasures, love, prosperity and good health. Great poster John, great buzz Deb!23/09/2016 #5 Sara JacoboviciFirst, as I try to gather my thoughts @Deb Helfrich, I will echo @Melissa Hefferman's "words", "...there's a message from the Heavens and a kindred Soul writing hello to my heart without even knowing it. So I'll say THANK YOU! Happy Thursday Deb!"
If (not if, once) I finish my synchronicity article, it will include this kind of "connection" or openness to receiving, seeing or hearing, a message or response to a thought, question or feeling. While you were writing about your experience with this quote from @John White, MBA, I was having the same experience with your post. That is why, when I read Melisa's comment, I knew I needed to echo her words.
So, it's the meaning and timing of words that is significant. We could be reading the same words at different times and pull from them a different meaning each time. I guess Einstein was right after all, time is relative.
As always, Deb, thank YOU for your contribution.23/09/2016 #2 Deb HelfrichGinger bowling... Shut up, Donnie! That might really mess with the Jesus.... Thanks for dropping in to check what condition my condition was in. I'll stop being a little Lebowski urban achiever.....
Always a sincere pleasure to bump into you, @Melissa Hefferman, being exactly who you are.
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- 09/09/2016Hey everybody! It is the one year anniversary of the post that changed my life. Such a simple thing, an idea I had on a mid-day walk with Zanzi, created a ripple of change that fills me with joy today when I think of all the cherished people that have shown up in my life. Thank you to everyoneCommenting on LinkedIn - An Uncommon Way to Build Communitywww.linkedin.com There are a lot of people talking about how the 'new' key to networking is to add value. I've read it dozens of times in the last couple weeks. But how often do you hear about what to do...
Comments12/09/2016 #27 Lisa Gallagher#22 What a great comment @Charles David Upchurch and feel the same about you! Like you I consider everyone on here a friend, kind and intelligent persons. Knowing we do have people who we can speak to and have friendly conversations means a lot!! There are so many who share diverse subject matter and always treat everyone with respect. I'm so happy I've met so many wonderful people. I'd like to thank you and others for also helping me through a tough year, you all mean so much to me. I too, had tears when I read your comment, David. Wishing you and everyone a beautiful day!!12/09/2016 #26 Deb Helfrich#23 #24 Ben, isn't it great when someone expresses things in such a poignant manner? #22 It all comes down to the fact that each comment we make has a potential to send someone off feeling great about themselves, or the opposite. I cannot understand those who chose to spread arguments. They are likely causing more harm than they can ever know.
So I choose to approach each comment as a place to celebrate the author, their words, my co-commenters, and the sense of community they create.12/09/2016 #25 Deb Helfrich#22 You've brought a few tears of joy to my day, @Charles David Upchurch!!! There is something very special about this community that has bonded together over the last year. I feel that I accomplished something truly meaningful in being the patron saint of these tiny little comment boxes. In showing that we can be supportive and caring and form real friendships in 2D, we are all contributing to a vast ocean of positive ripples in lives across the globe.12/09/2016 #22 Charles David UpchurchI've never met any of you in person, and I have only spoken by phone with two of you: @Jeffrey Strickland and @Trent Selbrede, yet I have come to consider every one of you who commented here (and on the original post) as friends or as @Lada Prkic wrote my "commenting buddies." I love you all dearly for that. Having people to "talk" kindly and thoughtfully with, through comments, has helped me through some hard times in the past year that most of you still don't know about. I am pleased to follow your example, @Deb Helfrich, finding my own voice in the process.12/09/2016 #20 Aurorasa SimaIt´s a great strategy and your comments always show that you cared about the relevant post and truly read and thought about it. And you always have something valuable to add and at the same time, you´re constructive. Not surprised that it worked well (and happy for you).10/09/2016 #17 Lada Prkic#14 Dear Deb, since we are commenting buddies, I invite you to take a look at my new buzz about geometry https://www.bebee.com/producer/@lada-prkic/geometry-all-around-us View more#14 Dear Deb, since we are commenting buddies, I invite you to take a look at my new buzz about geometry https://www.bebee.com/producer/@lada-prkic/geometry-all-around-us. Kind regards. Close10/09/2016 #14 Deb Helfrich#9 #10 Thanks @Lada Prkic. Nothing makes me happier than to have an opportunity to encourage people to express themselves. I feel so honored to have this post out in the world for people to find so that they can start their own journey. And it can be very risky to show up and share one's writing, but if you've made some commenting buddies first, well then, it is a lot less scary.10/09/2016 #13 Deb Helfrich#8 @Shubhanshu Garg - I do have to thank you. I was on the fence about whether to repost this one. But your kind comment on my other post about how you remembered this one because of the similarity of the photos made me go ahead and reshare.
It really is the case that our words have a lot of power and the tiniest bit of encouragement can mean so much to someone else.