- Producer10/12/2016SHOULD YOU PURCHASE A PREMIUM ACCOUNT? FREE vs. PREMIUMFREE vs. PREMIUM Have you ever wondered if you should purchase a premium account or just stay with the free account? What is the difference? What will I get out of a Premium account?Trust me when I say I get no kickbacks for this post whether you...
Comments12/12/2016 #16 John Vaughan#15 @Loribeth sez "Have you ever tried it out? "
Yes, as stated in my article "The Price of Quality" https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/price-quality-john-vaughan: I've used LinkedIn for quite a while (since 2005) and had a Premium membership for a few years. There are many fine resources for free courses and training (Oreilly, EventBrite, etc) and I use them regularly.
PS: If I'm paying for a Premium Membership, then the courses aren't exactly 'free', altho I'm sure that they're as good as anything else out there.
I suppose that the issue for me is that - like many of my professional colleagues on LinkedIn - I feel that LI walked away from its support of Groups, which are what what allowed us to connect and collaborate as professionals and what 'made' LinkedIn in the first place. Not that things are better on beBee. *shrug*
That said, LI continues to be the primary source of incoming professional connections (esp. from Recruiters - no surprise there). As I compare the Basic v Premium bullets in your article, I can't help but notice that all of the features appear to be marketing-oriented (and the only one that really applies to me is "Job Seeker").
Here's a thought: "Wouldn't it be nice if Premium membership actually enhanced my relationship with professional colleagues?"
As a UX Guy, I appreciate marketing (of course). But there's more, isn't there?
See "Why Are We Here?" (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141010151412-2333659-linkedin-why-are-we-here on LI, or https://jcvtcsblog.wordpress.com/2016/11/30/socialnet-why-are-we-here/ on my WordPress blog)12/12/2016 #13 Loribeth Pierson#11 Thank you for your comments, @Ben Pinto, they are always appreciated! You are right having LinkedIn Learning is a fantastic bonus to having premium and well worth the price! I forgot to mention that in this post, so thank you for bringing that up. It's a hard place to be here on beBee as a LinkedIn trainer...sometimes I hear crickets.11/12/2016 #11 Ben PintoLinkedIn Premium has been great for me and so when I mention the Dark Side, JEDIs, Darth Vader as a play on Star Wars I do so tongue-in-cheek, with the exception of the lost letters of recommendation, which WAS mishandled by Darth.
1) I got a six figure job, YAY and thank you Premium
2) My Lynda.com training is every bit as good as Udemy and I get it included for FREE saving hundreds of dollars and the certificates never expire.
3) My LinkedIn Learning courses are every it as good as those I took through Skill Soft, saving me hundreds more dollars and they auto generate Endorsement categories. This is why I have removed so many Skills from my profile and let LinkedIn put them on for me.
Of course, both networks have millions of profiles that are with people that will never respond to a message or a connect request. Usually these are easy to spot because they use a lot of repetition like, Pinto Pinto del Pinto DeGiorno.
4) Perhaps, most importantly, I value the ability to weed out fakes and make contact through the channel with things like picture and document attachments to messaging. This has provided great peace of mind as my computers no longer get viruses. For this last comment I am sharing this post over to Wannabee the hive for addressing want we WANNASEE.11/12/2016 #10 John Vaughan#8 Unlike some on beBee, I am not a compulsive "LinkedIn basher". Just not impressed with the value proposition of Premium. That said: Would prefer that socialNets hyping themselves as *professional* actually delivered the goods. beBee is delightful in some ways (self-criticism not a strong point), and still has a long way to go in that arena. As points of reference: Please consider #theMirror Reality Check Analysis series at https://www.bebee.com/@john-vaughan.
- 26/11/2016I have one problem with the new notifications. Once you have looked, the notifications disappear, even if you don´t delete them.
I wanted to go back when I have more time to a few tags including from @CityVP 🐝 Manjit @Milos Djukic and a few others. They are also not in "history".
I feel notifications should not vanish unless you delete them.
@Javier 🐝 beBee @Federico 🐝 Álvarez San Martín
Comments29/11/2016 #35 CityVP 🐝 Manjit#31 @Federico 🐝 Álvarez San Martín the View History function is working very well for me, for instance I wanted to respond to you and because of this function I could scroll down and find the relevant conversation. Prior to this function I would have had to create my own offline index and even that is no guarantee that I can pick up a conversation where I left it - so "View History" is proving to be a good addition to my user experience.28/11/2016 #33 Federico 🐝 Álvarez San Martín#30 Hi @CityVP 🐝 Manjit
History saves notifications for the last 30 days.
What you say to save something important, we will have it solved with the markers. In addition you will be able to copy the URL of any part of beBee (profile, buzz, beehive ...)
Thank you for your comments.
Best Regards.27/11/2016 #30 CityVP 🐝 Manjit#28 I have started to use the new View History function and it is proving to be helpful, but often I recall a conversation that I had many months earlier, but that conversation is lost because it is not archived in index form and books do have index's as well as chapters. With my learning hives I have the chapters set up as my own learning system, but I lack the depth of archive that allows me to go through individual bee notifications or an additional capability to catalogue a post the way I wish to store it beyond the vast curation system I have developed for myself offline. Also when I curate offline, I want to copy the URL as well and in updates, I currently share the update to my email and then copy the link I receive in the email, which is rather time consuming. View History is a good start to this ability to reference information and posts, but it too disappears as history updates.26/11/2016 #22 CityVP 🐝 ManjitNotifications do disappear and having an option as to what type of notification should be retained is more helpful than treating notifications as a temporal experience. I actually want the facility to drill down individual bee notifications, as well as separate those notifications which are directly relevant i.e. user ability to file them as a reference source - and have the complete log available as an archive.26/11/2016 #21 April Lynn#20 Phil, hope you consider posting on "Press Release" hive, for all opinions and insights welcomed! Progress is important. Differing opinions and thoughts give basis for others to develop preferred direction. Value experience in all thing while modernizing new digital growth.
Apologies _@Aurorasa Sima did not mean to disrespect your valid question to updates. Best Always, April.26/11/2016 #20 Phil Friedman#19 April Lynn - see https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/writing-effective-press-releases.
For more info on my professional background, see: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/i-ll-show-you-mine-then-you-show-me-yours.
If you want to see some past published releases, Google "phil friedman yacht".
And for anyone who wants my recommended press release template as previously mentioned, contact me via firstname.lastname@example.org.
I trust this answers your question. Please feel free to post any more that you may have. Cheers!26/11/2016 #19 April Lynn#14 Still looking forward to your prior PR release work Phil! bless you; you are precious! Love option of constructive insight for everyone can be destructive, but most valuable are those that help others grow while encouraging in postive tone of voice! Please do let me know when promised article you write written. Happy to be first to read an promote if merited. Blessings Sir, April Lynn26/11/2016 #14 Phil FriedmanAurorasa, that may be true, but they continue to be available in a separate window if you click "history" (until you actually trash them individually). It's actually an improvement for managing those notifications and being able to get back to some of them days later. Cheers!26/11/2016 #10 Deb 🐝 Helfrich#9 My own two cents is that I like that design. One way - direct clicking deletes the notification and the other way - right clicking to open new tab/window keeps notification, in case, like in the morning I go on a rampage and occasionally open too many windows/tabs and have to shut them down, without commenting, the notification is still there.
But it would help to have the design clearly stated so that people understand it, as I did not see this mentioned in the 3 new features that were highlighted. Nor did I see that we now don't get notifications for shares.
- Producer20/07/2016Affinity Networking Is On the LineA LOT OF BEES ARE TALKING THE TALK, BUT HOW MANY ARE READY TO WALK THE WALK? ...On a recent installment of "He Said He Said" (Vol 17, by Jim Murray and Phil Friedman) an issue arose about the nature of Affinity Networking. And I was very surprised...
Comments07/06/2017 #397 Phil Friedman#396 Thank you, @Charlene Norman, for reading and commenting -- even if you did not tackle the other 395 comments in this thread.
In the main, I agree with you about the majority of users on social media somehow feeling that all which goes on is their free and open sandbox. I disagree, of course, with them about that.
If I invest my time and labor in owning and administering a beBee Hive or a LinkedIn Group, I believe it is my prerogative to filter the content posted there in respect of topicality or lack thereof. Just as I did when I was a Senior Editor for an international yachting print magazine. If anyone wants to see an open free-for-all beBee hive or LI group, that person is free to own and operate his or her own. Plain and simple, to my mind. Not complicated or difficult to understand.
As I've repeatedly said here (not to you, but to others) is that if someone signs up in the "Cars" hive to receive content about automobiles, it is nuts to think its okay to flow articles on cooking to them through THAT hive (although perhaps not nuts to send them a piece about the best vehicles for "tailgating" at sports events).
For me, this is not about being qualified to speak on a given topic. For good or bad, social media platforms are not editorially controlled or peer-reviewed venues. And I am in favor of the free expression and exchange of ideas and opinions. With the caveat, however, that while everyone has a right to freely express his or her ideas and opinions, nobody is under any obligation whatsoever to read or listen or pay the slightest bit of attention. #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE . Cheers!07/06/2017 #396 Charlene Norman@Phil Friedman
I see the interaction on social media, the give and take, the passing of opinions, the generous sharing, the moving completely off topic, the introduction of extraneous stuff, the dissing of opinions, all in a very similar vein. Perhaps a bit jaundiced. But similar human behavior. Hard to control. Without annoying someone and changing something in the process.07/06/2017 #395 Charlene Norman@Phil Friedman It reminds me of a set of incidents some fifteen years ago. We Canadians believe everyone has rights, no matter how whacky and silly and self-serving they can be. We set up a Human Rights Tribunal Board to hear ALL employer/employee discriminatory cases. Any employee who feels wronged for any reason can lodge a complaint. It is up to the employer to prove its innocence regardless of the nature of the complaint. There is no gatekeeper, no ‘triage nurse’ assessing and sorting by priority. Every single case is assigned the exact same level of weight. Consequently, the Board gets bogged down and backlogged very quickly and takes up to 18 months to hear an easy case, three years a complex one.
I went before the board three different times armed with lawyers for three different frivolous cases. Each time, the employer legitimately was cleared, the employee was found guilty. YET, because there was no initial triage (and a few other ways the system was set up), the employer had to pay for everything. The employee incurred no penalty for bring frivolity and wasting so much time. Zip zero nada. They were free to do and continue to do as they pleased.07/06/2017 #394 Charlene NormanPhil, I just stumbled across this note your wrote. I can’t see all the 384 responses and nor can I read all the subtle and not so subtle nuances. I thought I would just jump in with both feet and share my two cents worth. And I just learned there is a limit of 2000 characters so this will be in three parts I think
You are correct in your premise. One of the many unfortunate side effects of social media is that everyone thinks they are an expert and their opinion, no matter how uneducated, ill-informed or unfocused is just as weighty and worthy as everyone else’s. And unfortunately, there is no triage effort or effect built into any social system that seems to work well. So you end up with a stew exactly as you described07/05/2017 #393 Phil Friedman#392 Yes, Kata, when I post a selfie in a business hive, readers mark it to be reclassified to the humor hives. Thanks for reading and commenting. Pleased it brought a smile and a chuckle.
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/conversations-with-my-wife-about-my-writing26/04/2017 #391 stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador#390 javier i never doubt of it. I do not fear the future because i do not live in the past and i do not regret things that i have no control on, nor i cry or any form of complain about it. As Matt swwetwood wrote recently i do not keep in my sight people that are making me sad or energy drainers. So to conclude no filter aigainst affinity propagation (it isblogic), reclassify button to control attemp and a mute feature to keep all happy free open minded users from sad ones. That keep the peace in the hives.
I look forward to june 2017 !
At Engineeo we know where your lifecycle is leading you too. Let us beBee admirative.
Regards.26/04/2017 #389 stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador#388 As we say in France, when communication is impossible, insurrender to your magnificience, but you we the french guys, forget us....communicare...put the things together..so general knowledge can grow....in another time, in another place. it is a pity you didn't answer the affinity propagation questions...a pity. Have again all my respect, and great conversations with bees in hives. Let's filter ! A special thanks to @Javier 🐝 beBee & @David B. Grinberg for their likes in my answers, their open minds, good thinking knowledge thurst and tolerance in diversity. @Javier 🐝 beBee Did you subscribe to Startupranking? beBee has changed categories and countries since my post....LOL ...long live to scientific affinity propagation!26/04/2017 #388 Phil Friedman#387 Stephan, when you say that "semantic fields that are in contents that users read and use or interact with have a lot to do with my user wall releases, otherwise in wouldn't discover some news hives..." I agree that an algorithmic sort of key words likely has an effect on which posts turn up in whose feeds, but I prefer to accept the statements of @Javier 🐝 beBee and @Juan Imaz when they explain that membership in hives also affects the distribution of posts into feeds (walls, in your parlance).
As to discovering new hives, I submit that you are just plain wrong. For one can find new hives by searching the list of hives, or by following the links that suggest them periodically in the general feed or clicking on the links provided at the end of each post, in one of a half-dozen other ways. If there were no concern over mis-posting to topic-inappropriate hives, there would be no need for the "reclassify" button that is already provided (but which I submit is inadequate to do the job for proper hive management).
Clearly you feel it is presumptuous of me to expect that you would have read the article before commenting on it. So, let us mutually agree that our differences on this are irreconcilable, and each move on. Thank you again for commenting. And cheers!26/04/2017 #387 stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador#386 too bad i am such a dumb guy...but i read the bible in my car while waiting my elder son at his school so i can bring him home. You see the bible is also a vehicule, and if the blogger wants to post in car hive, why should he be filtered. when i read you it seems that your expectation was disapointed but only by the belief that biblical post shouldnt be in hive such as cars. So freedom of choice is a stake now, i hope i can still in the future read biblical posts in cars hives....and yup content filtering topic filtering have to do with affinity propagation. BeBee is not a groupware software. Sorry to disagree. If beBee is programmed the way we at Engineeo think it has been done, the semantic fields that are in contents that users read and use or interact with have a lot to do with my user wall releases, otherwise inwouldnt discover some news hives. As i said it is about programing and not adminsitrating. We are 26 in the company and unanymous about it. We are very impress by @Javier 🐝 beBee 's work regarding this aspect of bebee relying on affinity propagation. And reading your answer we have a question: are you familiar with affinity propagation its origin who discovered it etc ?26/04/2017 #386 Phil Friedman#385 Sorry, Metral, but I do not believe you understand here what I mean by "topic-filtering". BeBee uses hive membership to help determine what posts get distributed to what members. When I join the "Cars" hive, I do not expect to end up seeing pieces on biblical studies in my feed because they are wrongly posted in the Cars hive. Topic-filtering has nothing to do with the practice of algorithmically controlling the distribution of posts to reader/members. Thank you for reading and commenting.26/04/2017 #385 stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand AmbassadorI don't make remarks ever never. Debates ain't my things. But science Is. Unleash beBee, the Bebee i see , the Bebee l know. oh! You cannot stop affinity propagation.... unless ..... HUH.--You start filtering. FB is social media, LinkedIn is a recruiter database , bebee is affinity propagation not a saas Groupware. check @Javier 🐝 beBee EEC program credentials.25/04/2017 #383 stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador3Dexperience from Dassault Systemes with who i work with as an education partner doesnt content or topic filter for the same reason. Sometime nature need chaos or freedom. Since i used beBee reading articles from @Juan Imaz View more3Dexperience from Dassault Systemes with who i work with as an education partner doesnt content or topic filter for the same reason. Sometime nature need chaos or freedom. Since i used beBee reading articles from @Juan Imaz or @Federico 🐝 Álvarez San Martín ..i met people i never thought i could ever meet in the digital space. Like @David B. Grinberg or @🐝 Fatima G. Williams okay they re ambassadord...now the fact that topic have no control leash allowed me recently to change the nature of followers. I love that. No more BAs but everydays bees with a different purpose...their individual ones. Close25/04/2017 #382 stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand AmbassadorSorry for the keyboard mystypes...freedom of opinions...but i also wrote: good points...meaning there i was underligning your points in the article. My nature is more pragmatic than 100% cerebral.@Javier 🐝 beBee View moreSorry for the keyboard mystypes...freedom of opinions...but i also wrote: good points...meaning there i was underligning your points in the article. My nature is more pragmatic than 100% cerebral.@Javier 🐝 beBee leads a team of talents and they do work in a team way with a programing lifecycle as i manage my teams, my scientists, my solutions architects and code wizards. If no content filtering is prior to publication it is for not narrowing the data available to affinity propagation, which bebee is based on and that other social media lack from the begining. Close25/04/2017 #381 stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador#380 i entitled my comment freedom of speech for everyone wirhin the affinity networking. Meaning by there all and every opinions are valued, even counterflow ones. I wouldn't dare commenting the topic, you have way more expertise, experience and wisdom. I usually see your posts but do not read them because they are not appealing my attention and the format doesn't fit my habits. Said so you have an undeniable talent for writing. Now the title this time caught my eyes. Affinity networking as mentionnef doesn't exist by itself but affinity propagation does. In the world of IT you cannot capture nor code sentiment and emotion but convergence and clusters.
Networking is about affinities...i think @Javier 🐝 beBee initially didnt restrict thevuse by any filter for affinity propagation reasons.
- Producer15/09/2016Never Give UpNoble Goals is the topic of #thedailychalkboard today. I'd love to hear about your goals and what you're doing to reach them....
Comments17/09/2016 #12 Michael NakagakiHi I also found it hard to view the text in the graphic until I viewed it horizontally. One thing I have found with graphics is that JPG images are better for photos and PNG are usually better for computer graphics. It might have to do with differences in compression algorithm but I just find PNG to be "crisper" with things like you are doing.16/09/2016 #11 Michael D. DavisSo, @Ben Pinto and @Aurorasa Sima , plus anyone else having difficulty reading #thedailychalkboard posts, here's a link that you can bookmark that will take you to the current entry, plus an archive of all postings made with my change to the new format. The link: https://dayone.me/2GYRzTu Feel free to let me know if this works better for you. Cheers! #michaelddavis16/09/2016 #9 Lisa 🐝 GallagherI have to give my husband props on this one! Although, he's never been referred to as a loser, he never gives up. He's always helping others even when he could be taking a break. He does not like to let people down. It's both, a curse and a gift. That's part of his success as well, people know they can count on him, even when I may see it as being taken advantage of.16/09/2016 #7 Ben Pinto#5 @Michael D. Davis, there is a new hive for wants of improvements to beBee and it is called Wannabee, with the logo being the angelic image of a bee whose praying arms and hands resemble the letter W. I will repollinate this honey over there. Please join us in making this site better without a gripe session (also join Gripe for some serious bitchin'.)16/09/2016 #6 Ben Pinto#2 First and foremost as an ENFP I was attempting to be funny, but I do so with primary meaning, and as @Aurorasa Sima, also declared this is an ongoing problem on, in my case, iPhones (for sure) and some social sites. Usually clicking allows the image to be blown up or the phone can be turned sideways for the same thing to happen automatically.
Take the light grey color of chalk in a light black blackboard (due to dry erasure prior to writing) and couple it with a teeny image and eyes that coukd use reading glasses but usually don't need to and I (and the masses) have a problem.
Back to the ENFP thing. When Ellen DeGeneres, whose retail shoe line is called ED, tweeted an image of her catching a ride on an Olympic runner's back, the public lashed out with all sorts of racist claims. Had the runner been of very light complexion those same people might have found it funny. Having the same way of comedic thinking as Mark Twain, Anne Frank, Robin Williams, and 7% of the Earth's population, I can tell you that I thought it was very funny and the thought that they weren't of the same color never crossed my mind.15/09/2016 #2 Michael D. DavisHere you go @Ben Pinto, or are you just being funny?
Do you know someone who persists no matter what? You know, the one beat down by hard luck who just never seems to bring it all together, but in spite of it all keeps on moving forward one hard fought inch at a time?
Do you know that one individual who regardless of circumstances always has a smile on their face, a good word for everyone they meet and never skips an opportunity to share whatever they have with others?
You may have overheard people refer to this person as a loser because they are so concerned about other people’s well being that they don’t reach any of their own goals. Maybe it’s even crossed your mind that they aren’t what people would consider a success.
Here's the thing; this person is actually the winner in life. They’ve figured out that helping others with whatever they have and however they can is the most noble goal of all. It's not money, or fame or recognition that they strive for. It’s the simple joy of putting a smile on someone’s face that is their pay off. They never give up on either themselves or others.
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- Producer07/09/2016I Wish, I Wish for... a Perfect PublisherTAKING A LOOK AT WHAT MATTERS MOST TO WRITER-PUBLISHERS ON beBee Preface: For the record, I'm a beBee booster. Have been since beBee Social Marketing Director John White, MBA first suggested to me that...
Comments04/11/2016 #129 Don 🐝 Kerr@Phil Friedman How the hell did I miss this post? Was stalking @Ben Pinto when I came upon it. Excellent perspectives and initiatives. I particularly like "It would be a big help to authors seeking to build a readership to have available a button for following the author that could be placed in the post itself."01/10/2016 #122 Phil Friedman#121 thank you Ben. I will leave my reply up because it clarifies what I've been suggesting, and may be useful to the discussion. I agree with you about the advantages of authors promoting not only their own work, but that iof others as well. I just believe each of us should have a say in which authors are associated with us and our work. Thanks.cheers!01/10/2016 #120 Phil Friedman#119 Sorry, Bennie, but I don't see why you say it's my math or why you comment is directed at me. My suggestion was originally that one of the three ad boxes at the bottom be for the author's posts, while the other two boxes highlight other authors CHOSEN BY THE AUTHOR OF THE POST. No algorithm involved, unless that author fails to make the selection. Thus, the author of the post gets to control who and what is associated with his or her work. Cheers!01/10/2016 #119 Ben PintoOk @Phil Friedman, I have to say that either you didn't do your homework or your math skills are off:
At first I was happy to agree with your peeve about advertising three buzzes from other bees at the bottom of your honey. Now that I have been paying attention to this it is a teeny price to pay BECAUSE of all the publicity you get when you are one of the three at the bottom of other Bee's buzzes.
About the research - next time you are with someone else that is on beBee ask to take a look at their viewpoint. In the case of me YOU ARE ADVERTISED ON ALMOST EVERY PAGE I SEE!!!!!!! Which I wouldn't mind at all if if your rogues gallery shot was replaced with my wife's picture. Perhaps a better solution would involve a number of criteria to form a fairer algorithm.13/09/2016 #117 Ben PintoWe are Fried Man! In others words, I think any respectable author and people like me would have to agree with you! I am reposting this to a newer hive called Wannabee. I have asked @Javier 🐝 beBee and @Juan Imaz and other beBee people to join, because what is good for the gander is good for the goose.
People like @Phil Friedman and myself have used argumentative writing since before we knew the name for it. I remember a piece I wrote in 6th grade. The point is that showing how we wannabees, want to be on beBee, will make the managing of ideas easier on the beBee management team.09/09/2016 #115 Gerald Hecht#108 @Milos Djukic I think we both have some stories; in Psychology/Neuroscience...the world is still so small it can downright rattle a person... I think I told you about this massive crowd-sourced endeavor called Neurotree; I don't know if you checked it out or not...but I think you would love it (if for no other reason than this conversation) even if not a Psycho! It's the idea of mapping the ENTIRE ACADEMIC FAMILY TREE for an ENTIRE BRANCH OF SCIENCE! Psychos and Neuros just happen to be "young enough" to have been thoroughly documented even before this interactive TREE!! It is such GREAT FUN!!! It also "EXPLAINS STUFF" in the same way that learning things about your "crazy aunt" in your "real family tree" does...real quick...I thought I was a rebel, who somehow got into a world class academic bloodline...exploring the tree; revealed the more mundane truth "they wouldn't have had me any other way", lol --couldn't have http://neurotree.org09/09/2016 #114 Gerald Hecht#112 @Phil Friedman it's something --you they that nobody really is gonna change anyone else's core beliefs with an argument and yh'a may well be true. It also becomes irrelevant when you are interacting with someone at the level...I mean it can't just be me; it matters not in the least if you agree or disagree with the idea(s) --I don't even know how to describe it coherently; I imagine it's like a boxer training with that perfect sparring partner (right and wrong don't even exist anymore) winning/losing/competition thingies go similarly bye bye...and afterwords (speculating with your interactions with Noam Chomsky)...something has changed! Something in Phil and something in Noam! Given the intensity of the discussions hear regarding "science" --I'm hesitant to bring up the word "alchemy" and I probably will vanish if a discussion about that topic ensues ( at least for a few weeks)... but umm...well actually nevermind09/09/2016 #113 Anonymous#112 You @Phil Friedman are correct. And then we have some article ghost-written (by some self proclaimed ghostwriter) by some self proclaimed or corporate interests motivated "influencer", phew. "Content marketing", It used to be sad, even comical. Which content marketing? By some self proclaimed ghostwriter or some self proclaimed or corporate interests motivated "influencer"? The agony of social media writing :)09/09/2016 #112 Phil Friedman#108 You, @Milos Djukic. and Gerald Hecht are correct about the power of meeting a great mind in person. I was fortunate that while I was in graduate school Noam Chomsky spent several months there as a scientist in residence, and i had the opportunity to attend a couple of his seminar style talks. Much different from just reading his work. Cheers!09/09/2016 #109 Anonymous#107 Yap @Gerald Hecht :) It's true. That is the reason why I wrote: "The moment when we start to believe that we are influential is at the same time the final moment for our own rigorous review, reconsideration and implementation of all necessary corrections." and @John White, MBA, my friend (oops Our friend :)) loves this quote. Glory and respect should be above the mist or any kind of mystification. First of all, it is a great responsibility. Ego is a very strange beast, which is often unreasonably hungry. Then we become futile.09/09/2016 #108 Anonymous#106 @Gerald Hecht, Yes it was him, Edward Lorenz. My mother knew Niels Bohr (Bohr model of the atom) Nobel Laureate. She was a metallurgist. Unfortunately, Prof Mandelbrot has never received the Nobel Prize. I've experienced him as a humble man of the utmost integrity. It is hard to explain that someone's lecture can influence someone's change in thinking, but it is true. I realized that his praise was the most genuine. He was a fractal. We should not have the slightest doubt that any breakthroughs were preceded by “creative chaos”. Of course, such a creative chaos certainly involves some very heated discussions, confronted opinions and disagreements. I also believe that you have the potential for "greatness", please do not ask me how :))) You're different, my friend, definitely ("not necessarily in a good way" :)) A great person deserves no less.. I recently also met Paul C. Paris (Paris' law), pioneer of fracture mechanics. These are important things for a scientist.
About your sense of humor:
"For some people, childlike behavior, after reaching maturity, can be an indication of emotional immaturity. I have a tendency for revert to "childish" behavior. Children love to play; their game is a fascinating evidence of commitment to truth. Children are inexhaustible source of some of the most wonderful wisdom. The problem is that most adults with years gradually lose the mind of a toy. Termination of playing is the ultimate sign of the beginning of stagnation. Of course, I believe that we will not fall into a dangerous trap." - from "Leadership and Successful Human Conversations", LI long-form post, March, 2015 (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/leadership-successful-human-conversations-milos-djukic?trk=mp-reader-card)09/09/2016 #107 Gerald Hecht#101 @Milos Djukic Interestingly, in a "pre social media world" , it was also Enrico Alleva who said to me (and I believe he was very serious), that: "in the academy, many of the most influential thinkers, go to their graves filled with regret that their ideas were never influential" (it's haunting in Italian, I remember that much --I don't remember his way of saying it BUT I wrote it down carefully and still have it in a box from that meeting; also in Latin...which isn't as "haunting"); I must dig those out.09/09/2016 #106 Gerald Hecht#86 @Milos Djukic was the it Lorenz who first coined the phrase "Butterfly Effect?" I know that when one has the opportunity to speak with thinkers of that caliber, it's extremely cool; because very often, this heretofore "hidden" (and human) aspect of the construct(s) for which they are known provides insights; for me, hanging out for two weeks (also in Italy) with the Neuroscientist Enrico Alleva at a NATO-ASI was kind of life changing...not necessarily in a good way; I distinctively remember him telling me that I had the potential for "greatness", if I could learn to let my sense of humor shine --"be crazy!"...I was one of about 6 or 7 American Scientists Invited...on the 2nd day they stopped serving pitchers of wine at lunch --because the "Americans couldn't handle it...he convinced me to stand up pond my fist on the table and say: "IT WOULD BEBA SIN TO SERVE FISH WITHOUT WINE!"...I did it! I have never been the same --we had wine at lunch for the duration!!
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Comments14/09/2016 #113 John Vaughan#110 glad to hear about beBee's quest for Venture Capital @Aurorasa Sima
The punchline is ... what do you invest it in? In a similar vein - Kudos for LinkedIn's buyout by Microsoft. In both instances ... we'll see ...
Don't know what you mean by Bell Labs being "a homogeneous environment" (uniform, identical, unvaried, consistent, indistinguishable ... consisting of parts all of the same kind). Maybe it looks that way to you, but I respectfully disagree. In any case, it was effective for other reasons.
Likewise "altruism" (the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others) actually has merit beyond shallow marketing 'feel good' jive. But that's another rant ...
Here's a Case in Point from the WayBack Machine:
COMMUNITY SERVICES SITE Pro Bono community work http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/pack-215.html
Showcase: SOCIAL http://www.jcvtcs.com/showcases/showcase-social.html13/09/2016 #109 John Vaughan#100 " Self-marketing happens in every form of relationship." is a given, @Aurorasa Sima
We also draw some boundaries so that the words have meaning as you note in your attempt to differentiate between "understandable/acceptable" marketing and "over-the top/manipulative" marketing
I'd add another 'agenda' for why people are in this community: Altruism. Yep, I said it. Look at anyone's profile - and how they describe themselves. Volunteer work, hobbies, community involvement - even political activism - are all important aspects of how we value our world. It's a fair amount of what we post about. These are 'labors of love'. I often work with volunteer and non-profit groups, with the motivation of "the greater good". It's always interesting to see how 'marketing' and 'self-promotion' are viewed in those environments. But that's another rant.
I'm glad we agree about "just because you build it" ... but part of my insight was that NO amount of promotion or marketing would really make a successful difference in this environment. Because: Collaboration is not perceived as having any real value. Perhaps it is valued by a few customer-members, but it's not systemically important to beBee. No blame. That's just what it is.
That was the beauty of the Bell Labs thingie: The opportunity to pursue good ideas creatively in a supportive environment (with really smart people, too. What's not to like?). beBee just doesn't have the resources and furthermore (no offense) doesn't really strategically 'get it' either. No blame. That's just what it isn't.13/09/2016 #106 John Vaughan#103 "Yes, it's deceptive from the recipient's view, but it doesn't mean the taggers are being deliberately deceptive." says @Robert Bacal
Agreed. In my original article, I didn't get into motivation - Just noting behavior. A little analysis. And alluding to solutions.
A classic moment in almost any UX engagement:
* 2 minutes - identifying a "glitch'" like this as a problem that should be addressed
* 2 weeks or more - dealing with reflexive, reactive pushback, finger-pointing, blame, defensiveness, butt-covering, etc. that is the inevitable result of .... change
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@john-vaughan/change13/09/2016 #104 John Vaughan#89 "Was the Alcatel (Bell Labs http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/bell-labs.html) solution an Intranet?" asked @Aurorasa Sima
Short answer: Yes
Relevance: Organizations & businesses who want to evolve socialNet capabilities for their in-house community (i.e. intranet + some affinity attributes) ALSO want to leverage that 'networking' in order to (ahem) ... do something worthwhile. Collaborate.
'Affinity' for beBee is a brand more than it is a differentiator - in the sense that ALL socialnets are based on affinity attributes. Variations on a common theme. beBee trumpets a couple of features, but thy're not real market-makers. Any valuable features will be knocked off by competitors (They always are). Right now beBee doesn't appear to be successfully integrating The Good Stuff from their competitors. Aside from that, beBee's got a strong international profile (and plenty of language-barrier silos as a result). Automated translation solutions will be iffy, at best.
The Collaboration Engine (Your Intranet on Steroids) is the REAL Next Big Thing. There's a ready market for it. But only if you've got a solution.13/09/2016 #102 John Vaughan#93 What is beBee+Plus? @Aurorasa Sima
"Make beBee all it can beBee" (It's a 'work in progress)
Post Challenges and kick around Solutions.
Keywords: Collaboration, Creativity, Crowdsourcing
I'm a 'solutions guy'. It's what I do, professionally. I was a squeaky-wheel-with-a-decent-following of professional colleagues at LinkedIn. LinkedIn was a powerful vision that stagnated - and abandoned its commitment to the professional Groups who'd made its success possible in the first place. Then beBee became "the new kid on the block". (There have been many. There will be more.) So there's a window of opportunity for Change. (There have been many. There will be more.) I've built and pioneered a fair amount of stuff over time - most of it "ahead of its time". I enjoy being on the cutting edge - even tho it can cut you. beBee+Plus would be a safe space for those of us who actually have something valuable to contribute ... to contribute. And to play together. As regards Crowdsourcing, Creativity, and Collaboration - I am a believer-with-solutions-credibility. And beBee is ... yet another Work In Progress.
Just because "you build it" doesn't necessarily mean that "they will come". Like many/most other groups (esp during startup), I primed the pump with my own articles. (Not unusual: beBee's self-marketing is something like 16% of this site's content https://www.bebee.com/producer/@john-vaughan/the-mirror-100-posts-our-content-profile). When you look at the Facebook-y profile of beBee (and the fact that many of us deserted LinkedIn because it, too, had become just another trivialized marketing engine) you can see why an active, particpatory, solutions-oriented collaboration Group wasn't exactly destined to succeed. It's past tense now: Haven't posted much there lately, have considered shutting it down, and ... running out of space on this Comment.
There ya go.
Thanks for your interest.13/09/2016 #97 John Vaughan#95 You pose some interesting challenges @Taylor Bonds and @Kerry Taylor
I don't know if you are asking about how to 'interact with clients' on social media, thru your website, or thru beBee in specific. Or all of the above?
In any case, it's a big bunch of questions. Worthy of a book - and there are some good ones out there. You might ask beBee to guide you to how to do it here. Marketing - and specifically Self-marketing - is pretty much what beBee is all about. More so than "professional".
beBee should probably take your request as more evidence that they should develop tools, techniques, and philosophy to support you and members like you. I no longer provide Solutions Suggestions in this venue.
From my own struggle with juggling multiple socialNets: Your "internal organization" is key to efficiency. Information Architecture - the librarying of what's-there-and-what-you-have-to-play-with - (an Inventory, if you will) is a good first step. And you probably want to 'map Process' (what you do, how the tools work). This guides you to a Template (replicable solution) that works for you. There are lots of Patterns. Get to know yours. Your keyword is "convergence".
You have my sympathy and support. Convergence is a bitch. Make it yours.
http://www.jcvtcs.com/techniques/social-convergence.html : Video = several years old (2012), but still sorta relevant13/09/2016 #95 Taylor BondsHi John. It is definitely not the age of the technically challenged. I a new to this whole social media marketing and have registered FB, LinkedIn and now with Bebee. I have a web developer that I am using to do the development of my site and to try and interact with my clients.
I am interested to know how one interacts with the clients. Posting pre designed ads is not getting the results and I suppose could be classed as spam with not much interest. Ideally I need to interact with clients and hopefully direct them to the right solution for them.
I would appreciate if you could guide me in the direction that best suits the interaction
Taylor Bonds13/09/2016 #92 John Vaughan#89 Yes, @Aurorasa Sima - the Bell Labs example could be called an intranet, since it was intended to bring "affinity" attributes to a workplace/collaboration-oriented environment.
I will continue to address 'the issues', but since beBee does not value design or usability contributions with ambassadorial equity, I will not continue to post solutions here.
I like the idea of 'story seekers" and have joined. I've crafted some (in my mind) interesting and valuable solutions for the interactive sales & marketing arena and will post references to those when I've crafted an article.
It's the whole 'cross-pollination' thing.12/09/2016 #86 Ben PintoIn an increasingly busy world, especislly for those joining all of the new networks, time is critical. If someone's honeypot tastes good, I share it. Later I get notifications about all of the people that commented on the article that I shared. H E L L O. "Hello, hello, you say goodbye, and I say hello." (Beatles serenading a bee hive.)
Please, once we have enough members or connections let algorithm end all of those types of notifications. I would rather know when someone has shared my honey to another hive.
Sharing this to Wannabee hive for bees to pray for what they wanna have.12/09/2016 #85 John Vaughan#84 Yup @Phil Friedman - actually aware of that
I persist in using what I'll call "the root forms" (I refer to groups, comments, articles rather than hives, buzzes, honey) because
a) I'm a Contrarian
b) I'm more concerned with Communication than Branding
c) the generic root forms actually communicate the meaning (not just the brand) to people who haven't already "drunk the Kool-Aid"*
* For the record: It wasn't actually "Kool Aid" instant powdered beverage. http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/television-news-research.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid (scroll down to pp.#3 of Background)
In any case, you got the opportunity to plug your excellent series. I say that's a win/win!12/09/2016 #83 John Vaughan#79 QUALITY Redux @Aurorasa Sima:
Once you get past the shallow 'numbers collecting' aspect of a socialNet, then the analysis gets interesting. Slick, trivial (content-less) Content will get you plenty of likes. But what can you actually do with it? That's a whole 'nother rant unto itself, but...
If you actually want to have real, bilateral communication (you know: interaction/conversation/collaboration/exchange... traction: the creation of actual value) - and not just spam-blast your silly-assed opinions at the world - then we're talking about something that goes Beyond Mere Publishing. Those for-real interactions tend to be one-on-one. Their value reflects the synergy between two 'quality' minds. @Phil Friedman's 'he said/she said' model is an excellent case in point.
Back to the thread:
* A large number of Likes on a superficial topic (kittypix, for example) is ... a big number.
* Connections and continuity among quality contributors is ... actually valuable.
John's earliest insight about interactive digital media (circa 1981):
"It's not the size of the database - It's the quality of the connections."
When working on what I liked to call "FaceBook for the Enterprise" back in 2009 (http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/bell-labs.html), one of our challenges was to engineer "affinities with value." It can be done. It should be done. As noted, before - I won't be sharing the How and Why here because ... it just isn't valued, is it @Javier 🐝 beBee?