- Producer10/12/2016SHOULD YOU PURCHASE A PREMIUM ACCOUNT? FREE vs. PREMIUMFREE vs. PREMIUM Have you ever wondered if you should purchase a premium account or just stay with the free account? What is the difference? What will I get out of a Premium account?Trust me when I say I get no kickbacks for this post whether you...
Comments12/12/2016 #16 John Vaughan#15 @Loribeth sez "Have you ever tried it out? "
Yes, as stated in my article "The Price of Quality" https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/price-quality-john-vaughan: I've used LinkedIn for quite a while (since 2005) and had a Premium membership for a few years. There are many fine resources for free courses and training (Oreilly, EventBrite, etc) and I use them regularly.
PS: If I'm paying for a Premium Membership, then the courses aren't exactly 'free', altho I'm sure that they're as good as anything else out there.
I suppose that the issue for me is that - like many of my professional colleagues on LinkedIn - I feel that LI walked away from its support of Groups, which are what what allowed us to connect and collaborate as professionals and what 'made' LinkedIn in the first place. Not that things are better on beBee. *shrug*
That said, LI continues to be the primary source of incoming professional connections (esp. from Recruiters - no surprise there). As I compare the Basic v Premium bullets in your article, I can't help but notice that all of the features appear to be marketing-oriented (and the only one that really applies to me is "Job Seeker").
Here's a thought: "Wouldn't it be nice if Premium membership actually enhanced my relationship with professional colleagues?"
As a UX Guy, I appreciate marketing (of course). But there's more, isn't there?
See "Why Are We Here?" (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141010151412-2333659-linkedin-why-are-we-here on LI, or https://jcvtcsblog.wordpress.com/2016/11/30/socialnet-why-are-we-here/ on my WordPress blog)12/12/2016 #13 Loribeth Pierson#11 Thank you for your comments, @Ben Pinto, they are always appreciated! You are right having LinkedIn Learning is a fantastic bonus to having premium and well worth the price! I forgot to mention that in this post, so thank you for bringing that up. It's a hard place to be here on beBee as a LinkedIn trainer...sometimes I hear crickets.11/12/2016 #11 Ben PintoLinkedIn Premium has been great for me and so when I mention the Dark Side, JEDIs, Darth Vader as a play on Star Wars I do so tongue-in-cheek, with the exception of the lost letters of recommendation, which WAS mishandled by Darth.
1) I got a six figure job, YAY and thank you Premium
2) My Lynda.com training is every bit as good as Udemy and I get it included for FREE saving hundreds of dollars and the certificates never expire.
3) My LinkedIn Learning courses are every it as good as those I took through Skill Soft, saving me hundreds more dollars and they auto generate Endorsement categories. This is why I have removed so many Skills from my profile and let LinkedIn put them on for me.
Of course, both networks have millions of profiles that are with people that will never respond to a message or a connect request. Usually these are easy to spot because they use a lot of repetition like, Pinto Pinto del Pinto DeGiorno.
4) Perhaps, most importantly, I value the ability to weed out fakes and make contact through the channel with things like picture and document attachments to messaging. This has provided great peace of mind as my computers no longer get viruses. For this last comment I am sharing this post over to Wannabee the hive for addressing want we WANNASEE.11/12/2016 #10 John Vaughan#8 Unlike some on beBee, I am not a compulsive "LinkedIn basher". Just not impressed with the value proposition of Premium. That said: Would prefer that socialNets hyping themselves as *professional* actually delivered the goods. beBee is delightful in some ways (self-criticism not a strong point), and still has a long way to go in that arena. As points of reference: Please consider #theMirror Reality Check Analysis series at https://www.bebee.com/@john-vaughan.
- 26/11/2016I have one problem with the new notifications. Once you have looked, the notifications disappear, even if you don´t delete them.
I wanted to go back when I have more time to a few tags including from @CityVP 🐝 Manjit @Milos Djukic and a few others. They are also not in "history".
I feel notifications should not vanish unless you delete them.
@Javier 🐝 beBee @Federico 🐝 Álvarez San Martín
Comments29/11/2016 #35 CityVP 🐝 Manjit#31 @Federico 🐝 Álvarez San Martín the View History function is working very well for me, for instance I wanted to respond to you and because of this function I could scroll down and find the relevant conversation. Prior to this function I would have had to create my own offline index and even that is no guarantee that I can pick up a conversation where I left it - so "View History" is proving to be a good addition to my user experience.28/11/2016 #33 Federico 🐝 Álvarez San Martín#30 Hi @CityVP 🐝 Manjit
History saves notifications for the last 30 days.
What you say to save something important, we will have it solved with the markers. In addition you will be able to copy the URL of any part of beBee (profile, buzz, beehive ...)
Thank you for your comments.
Best Regards.27/11/2016 #30 CityVP 🐝 Manjit#28 I have started to use the new View History function and it is proving to be helpful, but often I recall a conversation that I had many months earlier, but that conversation is lost because it is not archived in index form and books do have index's as well as chapters. With my learning hives I have the chapters set up as my own learning system, but I lack the depth of archive that allows me to go through individual bee notifications or an additional capability to catalogue a post the way I wish to store it beyond the vast curation system I have developed for myself offline. Also when I curate offline, I want to copy the URL as well and in updates, I currently share the update to my email and then copy the link I receive in the email, which is rather time consuming. View History is a good start to this ability to reference information and posts, but it too disappears as history updates.26/11/2016 #25 Aurorasa Sima#24 #22 It´s a bug since the update. It probably follows a pattern. Some notifications are still in your history while others disappear.
I wanted to come back to a tag of yours @CityVP 🐝 Manjit that has vanished. I guess I´ll look at your last buzzes later on.
I´ll send the info to the support. It does not seem as if Federico had seen the tag.26/11/2016 #22 CityVP 🐝 ManjitNotifications do disappear and having an option as to what type of notification should be retained is more helpful than treating notifications as a temporal experience. I actually want the facility to drill down individual bee notifications, as well as separate those notifications which are directly relevant i.e. user ability to file them as a reference source - and have the complete log available as an archive.26/11/2016 #21 Anonymous#20 Phil, hope you consider posting on "Press Release" hive, for all opinions and insights welcomed! Progress is important. Differing opinions and thoughts give basis for others to develop preferred direction. Value experience in all thing while modernizing new digital growth.
Apologies _@Aurorasa Sima did not mean to disrespect your valid question to updates. Best Always, April.26/11/2016 #20 Phil Friedman#19 April Lynn - see https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/writing-effective-press-releases.
For more info on my professional background, see: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/i-ll-show-you-mine-then-you-show-me-yours.
If you want to see some past published releases, Google "phil friedman yacht".
And for anyone who wants my recommended press release template as previously mentioned, contact me via firstname.lastname@example.org.
I trust this answers your question. Please feel free to post any more that you may have. Cheers!26/11/2016 #19 Anonymous#14 Still looking forward to your prior PR release work Phil! bless you; you are precious! Love option of constructive insight for everyone can be destructive, but most valuable are those that help others grow while encouraging in postive tone of voice! Please do let me know when promised article you write written. Happy to be first to read an promote if merited. Blessings Sir, April Lynn
- Producer20/07/2016Affinity Networking Is On the LineA LOT OF BEES ARE TALKING THE TALK, BUT HOW MANY ARE READY TO WALK THE WALK? ...On a recent installment of "He Said He Said" (Vol 17, by Jim Murray and Phil Friedman) an issue arose about the nature of Affinity Networking. And I was very surprised...
Comments21/01/2017 #357 Gerald Hecht@Phil Friedman Lately my greatest source of infotainment is googling the tweetswarm behind my back comments --I found that through the use of Factor Analysis (NOT joking) --there are 12 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF ME!!!
Three of them are "HIGHLY RESPECTED/ENDEARING "; four of them indicate that I am an "INSULTING, MISANTHROPIC TROLL"; two of them place me in the "HUMORIST/SATIRICAL" bin...
...and the remainder are various "vague", mundane categories.20/01/2017 #355 Phil Friedman#351 @Gerald Hecht, you know that I have always expressed abiding confidence in your legitimacy as a scientist and thinker. Indeed, I have felt genuinely benefitted by having run across "my favorite Mad Scientist" first on LinkedIn, and later on beBee. And in the midst of all the social media bull chips, I am moved often to say, "Thank you for your service." Cheers and my best to you, Gerry. Keep the faith.27/11/2016 #351 Gerald Hecht@Phil Friedman nothing like a short stfrom someone whose first Elsevier peer-reviewed publication came from a 16 year old "prodigy " (meaning that although I had a private pilot license --I still had to walk around Glassboro and Pitman to see Patti in Pitman https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2813538/?i=8&from=Hecht%20GS Anyway --keep it short; "a little song; a little dance; a little 'Icy Hot' down yer 👖31/10/2016 #347 Phil Friedman#345 Jim, I genuinely appreciate your saying that. Particularly because you are no slouch at controversy yourself. I think the reason is that I work to read and genuinely answer
Comments on my posts. And I am not afraid to go back and forth several times, because to me that is what conversation is all about. And for me, social media is, first and foremost, about conversation. Cheers!31/10/2016 #345 Jim Murray@Phil Friedman This is the single most viewed and commented on post on beBee that I have seen. And I'm sure that you will be the first to admit that it's because you are frightfully honest in the way you express your opinions. I wish there were a lot more people who would do that, besides the few that I know. This is a necessary part of what's needed if this site is going to be able to attract the kind of readers and users that it needs to fulfill its mandate. Just remember controversy is the root quality of any conversation. You create controversy and the conversation naturally follows. Because it's a hell of a lot more appealing that reading drivel that doesn't stimulate controversy other then controversial yawns.16/10/2016 #342 Phil Friedman#341 If that is the way you feel, Antoinette, you should try the news at CNNN, where Jim Able brings you all the news that's unfit to print. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@jim-able/bringing-you-all-the-news-that-s-unfit-to-print26/09/2016 #338 Phil Friedman#337 Thank you Karen Anne for reading and commenting. I notice that you are designated a CNN Women Leaders 2015. Have you seen @Jim Able's CNNN news bulletins, bringing you all the news that's unfit to print? https://www.bebee.com/producer/@jim-able/bringing-you-all-the-news-that-s-unfit-to-print22/09/2016 #335 Mark AnthonyI will certainly be more careful than I have been previously on other sites . I thought ooh , that sounds interesting I'll follow. Before I knew it I was being bombarded with an overload of complete nonsense , memes used to mean a sub culture to me ! But I am a bit of newbie
- Producer15/09/2016Never Give UpNoble Goals is the topic of #thedailychalkboard today. I'd love to hear about your goals and what you're doing to reach them....
Comments17/09/2016 #12 Michael NakagakiHi I also found it hard to view the text in the graphic until I viewed it horizontally. One thing I have found with graphics is that JPG images are better for photos and PNG are usually better for computer graphics. It might have to do with differences in compression algorithm but I just find PNG to be "crisper" with things like you are doing.16/09/2016 #11 Michael D. DavisSo, @Ben Pinto and @Aurorasa Sima , plus anyone else having difficulty reading #thedailychalkboard posts, here's a link that you can bookmark that will take you to the current entry, plus an archive of all postings made with my change to the new format. The link: https://dayone.me/2GYRzTu Feel free to let me know if this works better for you. Cheers! #michaelddavis16/09/2016 #9 Lisa 🐝 GallagherI have to give my husband props on this one! Although, he's never been referred to as a loser, he never gives up. He's always helping others even when he could be taking a break. He does not like to let people down. It's both, a curse and a gift. That's part of his success as well, people know they can count on him, even when I may see it as being taken advantage of.16/09/2016 #7 Ben Pinto#5 @Michael D. Davis, there is a new hive for wants of improvements to beBee and it is called Wannabee, with the logo being the angelic image of a bee whose praying arms and hands resemble the letter W. I will repollinate this honey over there. Please join us in making this site better without a gripe session (also join Gripe for some serious bitchin'.)16/09/2016 #6 Ben Pinto#2 First and foremost as an ENFP I was attempting to be funny, but I do so with primary meaning, and as @Aurorasa Sima, also declared this is an ongoing problem on, in my case, iPhones (for sure) and some social sites. Usually clicking allows the image to be blown up or the phone can be turned sideways for the same thing to happen automatically.
Take the light grey color of chalk in a light black blackboard (due to dry erasure prior to writing) and couple it with a teeny image and eyes that coukd use reading glasses but usually don't need to and I (and the masses) have a problem.
Back to the ENFP thing. When Ellen DeGeneres, whose retail shoe line is called ED, tweeted an image of her catching a ride on an Olympic runner's back, the public lashed out with all sorts of racist claims. Had the runner been of very light complexion those same people might have found it funny. Having the same way of comedic thinking as Mark Twain, Anne Frank, Robin Williams, and 7% of the Earth's population, I can tell you that I thought it was very funny and the thought that they weren't of the same color never crossed my mind.15/09/2016 #2 Michael D. DavisHere you go @Ben Pinto, or are you just being funny?
Do you know someone who persists no matter what? You know, the one beat down by hard luck who just never seems to bring it all together, but in spite of it all keeps on moving forward one hard fought inch at a time?
Do you know that one individual who regardless of circumstances always has a smile on their face, a good word for everyone they meet and never skips an opportunity to share whatever they have with others?
You may have overheard people refer to this person as a loser because they are so concerned about other people’s well being that they don’t reach any of their own goals. Maybe it’s even crossed your mind that they aren’t what people would consider a success.
Here's the thing; this person is actually the winner in life. They’ve figured out that helping others with whatever they have and however they can is the most noble goal of all. It's not money, or fame or recognition that they strive for. It’s the simple joy of putting a smile on someone’s face that is their pay off. They never give up on either themselves or others.
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- Producer15/09/2016Stop saying for creative it is necessary to work for freeWhen Steve Jobs was looking for a designer to create the logo of his post-Apple company, NeXT, he asked the designer Paul Rand to create some samples before hiring him formally. But instead of receiving parts for free, Jobs learned a lesson about...
Comments19/09/2016 #29 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Praveen Raj Gullepalli you touched on a very important point for me, undue favors to achieve personal gain , whatever it is , you gave me a very good idea when I read your comment , until something no Brazilian was against Brazil's largest corruption scandal or the world perhaps ( they mask any information on the subject ) , can be shown by simple words , the real Brazil does not condone interests of politicians and businessmen who can not live in a free market , and therefore transform that was income of many workers in oligopolies , monopolies to perpetuate themselves in power, apologize to the world on behalf of Brazilians in good faith, early risers , like me, to win the daily bread and that there are Brazilians like me, who want something beyond..19/09/2016 #28 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Jim Murray thank you for sharing this post , had some problems and did not have a position to respond with agility, as the statement that I made @Ben Pinto on a problem experienced last week where people because of their egos do not give value to real solution or do not want to see for any frivolous reason, I see so many errors in the field of software that I work , the simple solution to solve, is to sit next to the shop floor in the people who make the deal happen , if I were a software developer without doubt some would, the example I gave is a global insurance company , which is very famous in my country , but they are with their eyes on the wrong side .19/09/2016 #27 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Ben Pinto eloquent perspective and sensible, thank you for describing with extreme simplicity and so I understand about your line of business , are several actions to work around this, like a lot of technology , I see so many mistakes in the companies for which I pay services and account superb people and without future vision often fail to solve the problem , in order to create another problem. these days she needed to solve a problem on a proposal for insurance with a worldwide insurance company , the person who answers me that cia, did not write down my suggestion to change a brief configuration of their systems , I said that could decrease about 70 % of links that do, but did not issue any and then questioned me why I produce in a competitor.19/09/2016 #26 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Jena Ball I agree fully , I have many problems in my area in this direction for many years serve non- customers in order to loyalty them in 10 years only 1 client closed this failure and malicious strategy from a former partner, professional development and human being as equal is essential to the common good. No doubt you played a very vital point , the lack of acceptance in a market where rules are said and imposed a totally slave form , make fewer people want to demonstrate their ability to write or develop any other task with the fear of new , fear of rejection in its business lines , also fear the day when there are no more innovations , only the control imposed by the media and organizations that do not value the true human labor whatever it is .18/09/2016 #24 Praveen Raj GullepalliA very relevant buzz! Some translation though!;) But yeah, you touched a raw, long exposed nerve there Flavio! Portfolios and Pitches, or a promised Perk do make things work usually. The free Spec (I tend to read that as Specimen and not Speculative creative...) thingy is something the new age biz admins have cooked up i guess, to impress bosses and get more for less. The squeezers! :) But I would say that the creative community itself is to blame for this. Those few rotten apples. Reneging Account Managers too. They destroyed the typical Ad creative team set up by forming briefcase agencies...totally messing up the 15% agency commission paradigm that took care of all, everyone...by selling creative free for a fraction of that percentage...by saying Yes to Spec. Ad or biz Creative is always team work. I believe only painters, ajrtists and writers are creative professionals who can go it solo. I have yet to see mind blowing copy+plus art creatives consistently churned by one man / single creative professional, though many do succeed to a reasonable, functional level creative extent. But both copy and design can deliver the goods standalone in some cases. Coming back to Spec, apart from saying NO, the next best thing would be to engage someone who can sell your portfolio if you cannot do it yourself and avoid spec-ing. And virtually, that someone could well be beBee...and i really believe it is a better showcase for creative bees than any other right now.18/09/2016 #23 Praveen Raj Gullepalli#13 Or, as is commonly the case here, the department-in-charge or purchase officer wants a kickback before he approves you as the right vendor basis your portfolio! ;) And that means you not only spend time creating but also money ensuring...There sure is a lot more happening than what meets the eye when it comes to selling creatives these days.18/09/2016 #21 Jim MurrayOutstanding post, @Flávio Rodrigues Vieira. I'm going to repost this in the All Business hive. I saw the video from Zak's agency. It' was terrific and made the point in spades. I mostly do work for smaller business now and get hired mainly on the strength of the chemistry I share with the clients. So there's really no Pitching per se. They either like me or they don't, which is a hell of a lot more fair than blowing your brains out creatively when most of the time you don't even know what the real business challenge is.18/09/2016 #19 Jena BallThis is an ongoing and persistent problem in my field - writing. I thank you for bringing up and discussing it (loved the video). After almost eight years of being told by my business partner that I had to work for free to establish my credentials, I finally put my foot down. It was clear that those for whom I had worked free of charge had no intention of paying me going forward and did not value what they had been given. It was a difficult and costly lesson.
May I also add that it doesn't help when organizations like the Huffington Post expect writers to contribute to their publication for free.This is not only unprofessional, unethical and shameful, but robs us of some of the most important contributors to our collective wisdom. Writers have to eat, the same as anyone else, and writing for free just doesn't cut it. Plus writing is HARD work. I am also quite certain that neither Arianna nor her staff goes unpaid. As Ursula K. LeGuin recently put it so eloquently, "I think hard times are coming when we will be wanting the voices of writers who can see alternatives to how we live now and can see through our fear-stricken society and its obsessive technologies to other ways of being, and even imagine some real grounds for hope. We will need writers who can remember freedom. Poets, visionaries—the realists of a larger reality."
Thank you again Flavio!18/09/2016 #18 Charles David Upchurch#15 @Ben Pinto it sounds like your design/build example is a clever way of ensuring payment for the design phase of the work. In reference to this article by @Flàvio, it seems like the relative scarcity of that type of creator with good references, as compared to the abundance of graphic artists and writers, might be a clue as to why many customers of artists think they "should" get free samples.16/09/2016 #17 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Ken Boddie hank you for sharing your experience, I have a great example , my brother and I have always been very turn on the technology and simple forms of automation, only to facilitate our day to day , he works at the electric company in my city , one day he developed an automation to improve his work , his manager in turn , found incredible and asked him detailed my your idea, right after that , he signed a deal with a friend who did not work in the company, for approximately R$ 200K since then we believe in the value of work as a starting point to achieve some equality among the old wolves of the sea.16/09/2016 #16 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Paul Walters extremely interesting your point of view, and not just in the business of marketing and advertising , several companies / people want a quality service without even knowing the importance and difficulty of being there willing every day , do not quite understand how it works in other countries, but where I live , I see this a lot, a good example: veterinarian you can take a peek at my pet ?
without taking into consideration the time and effort lost to save the lives of animals, architect and interior design as well, many end up submitting the hope of achieving a real contract , I believe the valuation profession , love himself the work that develops only so we will take awareness of the importance of all the work whatever it is.16/09/2016 #14 Ben PintoRather than give free estimates for room additions, kitchen remodeling, and jobs of that nature contractors sold design/build services as early as the late seventies. Design/build continues to be used by some upper scale firms through today. It charges the customer, up front, to develop plans with many companies discounting the job by that same amount or a portion of it should the homeowner contract for the work.No more free plans that could be used by contractor 2 and 3 to bid against the one who provided the free work on speculation. "Sorry, can you tell me what spec work is," became the 'line' of the day at the Nationsl Association of Home Builders Remodelors [sic] Council (TM) meetings. They were in those days at the forefront of the new technologies in radon detection and education.16/09/2016 #13 Ken BoddieI enjoyed reading this, Flávio, and the video is brilliant. Consulting engineers are also constantly being asked to produce designs as part of the bidding process for government departments and large consortiums. Wish I had the balls to ask for up-front, unpaid, trial services, before I consent to provide my return business for the following:
- trial diagnosis and diagnostic tests from a doctor and pathology lab;
- trial filling, or better still, root canal and cap, from a dentist; and
- trial oil and lube change and service from a car mechanic;
Or how about a trial long haul flight with an airline in order to determine whether the seats are comfortable enough, the food to my liking, and the baggage handlers gentle enough with my luggage (that last one's really laughable) to guarantee them my return business? One of the problems with large entities like state of federal government departments is that many of the mid and lower level management are completely divorced from the process of how private enterprise makes money and maintains its cash flow.16/09/2016 #12 Charles David Upchurch@Ben Pinto "spec." Is short for speculative.
In the USA, housing developers and construction companies often build homes or office buildings designed after speculating as to what prospective customers in that area would be most likely to purchase. They call this "building 'on spec.'
It is much higher in risk (of not finding a buyer) as compared to up-front owner-builder contracts, which are often called "custom building" but there is also greater potential for profit in "spec work," because the builder does not have to be as creative, so they can mostly use standard designs and standard materials, and only need to solve quality problems for customers, not adapting their creations to all of the customers' needs.16/09/2016 #11 Paul Walters@Flávio Rodrigues Vieira Thanks for that post. A few years ago I sold my agency for a number of reasons but at the top of the list were clients who wanted to 'see' the work before paying you! Ditto with pitching. Companies ( large) and government would put out an 'invitation ' to pitch for the account. This would involve a full creative presentation including logos, demo jingles, storey boards for TV etc. In some instances we spent upwards of $50K on these pitches only to come 'second!!! No fee paid for the work just a 'nice' letter to say we were ever so close in winning the business. Imagine asking a builder to build you a house and if you like it you pay, if not you simply walk away. We stopped pitching and doing any 'spec' work and guess what we seemed to get more accounts and became infinitely more profitable!! Its up to the creatives to simply say no as their portfolios speak for themselves. Ditto "fishing ' on lines for cheap creatives who sell themselves far too cheaply ... its a crime I tell ya!!!!!!
- Producer12/09/2016Letter from a tired metabolismDear human, I know you've been disappointed in me. I know that in recent times you hide me beneath baggy clothes and avoids beach. dear human, I know you've been disappointed in me. I know that in recent times you hide me beneath...
- Producer07/09/2016I Wish, I Wish for... a Perfect PublisherTAKING A LOOK AT WHAT MATTERS MOST TO WRITER-PUBLISHERS ON beBee Preface: For the record, I'm a beBee booster. Have been since beBee Social Marketing Director John White, MBA first suggested to me that...
Comments04/11/2016 #129 Don 🐝 Kerr@Phil Friedman How the hell did I miss this post? Was stalking @Ben Pinto when I came upon it. Excellent perspectives and initiatives. I particularly like "It would be a big help to authors seeking to build a readership to have available a button for following the author that could be placed in the post itself."03/11/2016 #123 Aurorasa SimaI suggest to implement an auto-block function.
In the case that a user is being reported by ... let´s say 5 users in a day his writing privileges should be restricted until an admin had a look if the person is engaging in a behaviour that is harmful to beBee and/or its users.
Phil might say that this function could be misused. Yes, a legitimate author could be inconvenienced for a few hours. That´s the smaller problem, if you ask me, compared to a negative experience for many bees and especially new bees.01/10/2016 #122 Phil Friedman#121 thank you Ben. I will leave my reply up because it clarifies what I've been suggesting, and may be useful to the discussion. I agree with you about the advantages of authors promoting not only their own work, but that iof others as well. I just believe each of us should have a say in which authors are associated with us and our work. Thanks.cheers!01/10/2016 #120 Phil Friedman#119 Sorry, Bennie, but I don't see why you say it's my math or why you comment is directed at me. My suggestion was originally that one of the three ad boxes at the bottom be for the author's posts, while the other two boxes highlight other authors CHOSEN BY THE AUTHOR OF THE POST. No algorithm involved, unless that author fails to make the selection. Thus, the author of the post gets to control who and what is associated with his or her work. Cheers!01/10/2016 #119 Ben PintoOk @Phil Friedman, I have to say that either you didn't do your homework or your math skills are off:
At first I was happy to agree with your peeve about advertising three buzzes from other bees at the bottom of your honey. Now that I have been paying attention to this it is a teeny price to pay BECAUSE of all the publicity you get when you are one of the three at the bottom of other Bee's buzzes.
About the research - next time you are with someone else that is on beBee ask to take a look at their viewpoint. In the case of me YOU ARE ADVERTISED ON ALMOST EVERY PAGE I SEE!!!!!!! Which I wouldn't mind at all if if your rogues gallery shot was replaced with my wife's picture. Perhaps a better solution would involve a number of criteria to form a fairer algorithm.13/09/2016 #117 Ben PintoWe are Fried Man! In others words, I think any respectable author and people like me would have to agree with you! I am reposting this to a newer hive called Wannabee. I have asked @Javier 🐝 beBee and @Juan Imaz and other beBee people to join, because what is good for the gander is good for the goose.
People like @Phil Friedman and myself have used argumentative writing since before we knew the name for it. I remember a piece I wrote in 6th grade. The point is that showing how we wannabees, want to be on beBee, will make the managing of ideas easier on the beBee management team.09/09/2016 #115 Gerald Hecht#108 @Milos Djukic I think we both have some stories; in Psychology/Neuroscience...the world is still so small it can downright rattle a person... I think I told you about this massive crowd-sourced endeavor called Neurotree; I don't know if you checked it out or not...but I think you would love it (if for no other reason than this conversation) even if not a Psycho! It's the idea of mapping the ENTIRE ACADEMIC FAMILY TREE for an ENTIRE BRANCH OF SCIENCE! Psychos and Neuros just happen to be "young enough" to have been thoroughly documented even before this interactive TREE!! It is such GREAT FUN!!! It also "EXPLAINS STUFF" in the same way that learning things about your "crazy aunt" in your "real family tree" does...real quick...I thought I was a rebel, who somehow got into a world class academic bloodline...exploring the tree; revealed the more mundane truth "they wouldn't have had me any other way", lol --couldn't have http://neurotree.org09/09/2016 #114 Gerald Hecht#112 @Phil Friedman it's something --you they that nobody really is gonna change anyone else's core beliefs with an argument and yh'a may well be true. It also becomes irrelevant when you are interacting with someone at the level...I mean it can't just be me; it matters not in the least if you agree or disagree with the idea(s) --I don't even know how to describe it coherently; I imagine it's like a boxer training with that perfect sparring partner (right and wrong don't even exist anymore) winning/losing/competition thingies go similarly bye bye...and afterwords (speculating with your interactions with Noam Chomsky)...something has changed! Something in Phil and something in Noam! Given the intensity of the discussions hear regarding "science" --I'm hesitant to bring up the word "alchemy" and I probably will vanish if a discussion about that topic ensues ( at least for a few weeks)... but umm...well actually nevermind09/09/2016 #113 Anonymous#112 You @Phil Friedman are correct. And then we have some article ghost-written (by some self proclaimed ghostwriter) by some self proclaimed or corporate interests motivated "influencer", phew. "Content marketing", It used to be sad, even comical. Which content marketing? By some self proclaimed ghostwriter or some self proclaimed or corporate interests motivated "influencer"? The agony of social media writing :)09/09/2016 #112 Phil Friedman#108 You, @Milos Djukic. and Gerald Hecht are correct about the power of meeting a great mind in person. I was fortunate that while I was in graduate school Noam Chomsky spent several months there as a scientist in residence, and i had the opportunity to attend a couple of his seminar style talks. Much different from just reading his work. Cheers!09/09/2016 #109 Anonymous#107 Yap @Gerald Hecht :) It's true. That is the reason why I wrote: "The moment when we start to believe that we are influential is at the same time the final moment for our own rigorous review, reconsideration and implementation of all necessary corrections." and @John White, MBA, my friend (oops Our friend :)) loves this quote. Glory and respect should be above the mist or any kind of mystification. First of all, it is a great responsibility. Ego is a very strange beast, which is often unreasonably hungry. Then we become futile.
- Producer12/09/2016Why You Want To Join WannabeeGripe was a hive that started for griping about anything. Those of us that love beBee don't want to see a bunch of griping about the network, especially since it is still evolving so fast. I am guilty of this and feel guilty about it. So I am doing...
- Producer09/09/2016Sort of .... but not really.The little bell icon in the upper-right of my beBee screen has a bunch of numbers in it."Oh boy!", sez I. "These are Notifications! Maybe somebody likes me. Let's see who." ... and I click on it.Here's what I find : Some people have liked my...
Comments14/09/2016 #113 John Vaughan#110 glad to hear about beBee's quest for Venture Capital @Aurorasa Sima
The punchline is ... what do you invest it in? In a similar vein - Kudos for LinkedIn's buyout by Microsoft. In both instances ... we'll see ...
Don't know what you mean by Bell Labs being "a homogeneous environment" (uniform, identical, unvaried, consistent, indistinguishable ... consisting of parts all of the same kind). Maybe it looks that way to you, but I respectfully disagree. In any case, it was effective for other reasons.
Likewise "altruism" (the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others) actually has merit beyond shallow marketing 'feel good' jive. But that's another rant ...
Here's a Case in Point from the WayBack Machine:
COMMUNITY SERVICES SITE Pro Bono community work http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/pack-215.html
Showcase: SOCIAL http://www.jcvtcs.com/showcases/showcase-social.html13/09/2016 #110 Aurorasa Sima#109 Altruism? Great agenda, the motivation is that helping people makes altruistic people feel good (:
Maybe you are more concerned because you are addressing issues for a longer period of time. The bossi bees are currently traveling overseas to get VC that they to my knowledge are planning to use for product development and growth. Will that solve all the strategic and structural problems in the world at once? Probably not but it´s an essential step.
We could leave for something better, work with what we have or build our own. As a change expert, you could teach me that change is a process that often happens in small steps.
The Bell Labs thingie was a great thingie. A tad easier maybe because it happened in a homogeneous environment.13/09/2016 #109 John Vaughan#100 " Self-marketing happens in every form of relationship." is a given, @Aurorasa Sima
We also draw some boundaries so that the words have meaning as you note in your attempt to differentiate between "understandable/acceptable" marketing and "over-the top/manipulative" marketing
I'd add another 'agenda' for why people are in this community: Altruism. Yep, I said it. Look at anyone's profile - and how they describe themselves. Volunteer work, hobbies, community involvement - even political activism - are all important aspects of how we value our world. It's a fair amount of what we post about. These are 'labors of love'. I often work with volunteer and non-profit groups, with the motivation of "the greater good". It's always interesting to see how 'marketing' and 'self-promotion' are viewed in those environments. But that's another rant.
I'm glad we agree about "just because you build it" ... but part of my insight was that NO amount of promotion or marketing would really make a successful difference in this environment. Because: Collaboration is not perceived as having any real value. Perhaps it is valued by a few customer-members, but it's not systemically important to beBee. No blame. That's just what it is.
That was the beauty of the Bell Labs thingie: The opportunity to pursue good ideas creatively in a supportive environment (with really smart people, too. What's not to like?). beBee just doesn't have the resources and furthermore (no offense) doesn't really strategically 'get it' either. No blame. That's just what it isn't.13/09/2016 #106 John Vaughan#103 "Yes, it's deceptive from the recipient's view, but it doesn't mean the taggers are being deliberately deceptive." says @Robert Bacal
Agreed. In my original article, I didn't get into motivation - Just noting behavior. A little analysis. And alluding to solutions.
A classic moment in almost any UX engagement:
* 2 minutes - identifying a "glitch'" like this as a problem that should be addressed
* 2 weeks or more - dealing with reflexive, reactive pushback, finger-pointing, blame, defensiveness, butt-covering, etc. that is the inevitable result of .... change
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@john-vaughan/change13/09/2016 #104 John Vaughan#89 "Was the Alcatel (Bell Labs http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/bell-labs.html) solution an Intranet?" asked @Aurorasa Sima
Short answer: Yes
Relevance: Organizations & businesses who want to evolve socialNet capabilities for their in-house community (i.e. intranet + some affinity attributes) ALSO want to leverage that 'networking' in order to (ahem) ... do something worthwhile. Collaborate.
'Affinity' for beBee is a brand more than it is a differentiator - in the sense that ALL socialnets are based on affinity attributes. Variations on a common theme. beBee trumpets a couple of features, but thy're not real market-makers. Any valuable features will be knocked off by competitors (They always are). Right now beBee doesn't appear to be successfully integrating The Good Stuff from their competitors. Aside from that, beBee's got a strong international profile (and plenty of language-barrier silos as a result). Automated translation solutions will be iffy, at best.
The Collaboration Engine (Your Intranet on Steroids) is the REAL Next Big Thing. There's a ready market for it. But only if you've got a solution.13/09/2016 #103 Robert Bacal#98 John @John Vaughan Yes, it's deceptive from the recipient's view, but it doesn't mean the taggers are being deliberately deceptive. In fact, I don't think anyone says: OK, I'm going to tag/mention a bunch of people to trick them into coming here.
I've come to the conclusion that the problem isn't the users, although there are a few that I see as spammers, but the Bebee system of notifications, which is downright terrible. And, that Hives don't send notifications. You'd think that after all the LinkedIn mistakes, Bebee would ensure that this essential part of the interface function the way it ought to. I AM wasting a lot of time checking out all the notifications that pop up, finding most don't have anything to do with anything I wrote. It's a deal killer, and unless it changes - i.e. how notifications work here, I may have to shut down my involvement.13/09/2016 #102 John Vaughan#93 What is beBee+Plus? @Aurorasa Sima
"Make beBee all it can beBee" (It's a 'work in progress)
Post Challenges and kick around Solutions.
Keywords: Collaboration, Creativity, Crowdsourcing
I'm a 'solutions guy'. It's what I do, professionally. I was a squeaky-wheel-with-a-decent-following of professional colleagues at LinkedIn. LinkedIn was a powerful vision that stagnated - and abandoned its commitment to the professional Groups who'd made its success possible in the first place. Then beBee became "the new kid on the block". (There have been many. There will be more.) So there's a window of opportunity for Change. (There have been many. There will be more.) I've built and pioneered a fair amount of stuff over time - most of it "ahead of its time". I enjoy being on the cutting edge - even tho it can cut you. beBee+Plus would be a safe space for those of us who actually have something valuable to contribute ... to contribute. And to play together. As regards Crowdsourcing, Creativity, and Collaboration - I am a believer-with-solutions-credibility. And beBee is ... yet another Work In Progress.
Just because "you build it" doesn't necessarily mean that "they will come". Like many/most other groups (esp during startup), I primed the pump with my own articles. (Not unusual: beBee's self-marketing is something like 16% of this site's content https://www.bebee.com/producer/@john-vaughan/the-mirror-100-posts-our-content-profile). When you look at the Facebook-y profile of beBee (and the fact that many of us deserted LinkedIn because it, too, had become just another trivialized marketing engine) you can see why an active, particpatory, solutions-oriented collaboration Group wasn't exactly destined to succeed. It's past tense now: Haven't posted much there lately, have considered shutting it down, and ... running out of space on this Comment.
There ya go.
Thanks for your interest.13/09/2016 #100 Aurorasa Sima#99 Self-marketing happens in every form of relationship. It starts when you chose the shirt that looks nice on you.
There will be no community consisting of people with different agendas without self-promo. I differentiate between people who add value in order to promote themselves and people who post valueless salesy messages. It´s too early to say, but so far the last type has no traction on this site.
You are right. Just because you build it does not mean they´ll come. It´s a bet. Promotion and being a role model can influence the odds.
I love that you´re a solutions guy, someone who can add value and be a problem solver. Let´s get that window open, then. Unless you know of other undeveloped plots it seems like the right thing to do.13/09/2016 #97 John Vaughan#95 You pose some interesting challenges @Taylor Bonds and @Kerry Taylor
I don't know if you are asking about how to 'interact with clients' on social media, thru your website, or thru beBee in specific. Or all of the above?
In any case, it's a big bunch of questions. Worthy of a book - and there are some good ones out there. You might ask beBee to guide you to how to do it here. Marketing - and specifically Self-marketing - is pretty much what beBee is all about. More so than "professional".
beBee should probably take your request as more evidence that they should develop tools, techniques, and philosophy to support you and members like you. I no longer provide Solutions Suggestions in this venue.
From my own struggle with juggling multiple socialNets: Your "internal organization" is key to efficiency. Information Architecture - the librarying of what's-there-and-what-you-have-to-play-with - (an Inventory, if you will) is a good first step. And you probably want to 'map Process' (what you do, how the tools work). This guides you to a Template (replicable solution) that works for you. There are lots of Patterns. Get to know yours. Your keyword is "convergence".
You have my sympathy and support. Convergence is a bitch. Make it yours.
http://www.jcvtcs.com/techniques/social-convergence.html : Video = several years old (2012), but still sorta relevant13/09/2016 #95 Taylor BondsHi John. It is definitely not the age of the technically challenged. I a new to this whole social media marketing and have registered FB, LinkedIn and now with Bebee. I have a web developer that I am using to do the development of my site and to try and interact with my clients.
I am interested to know how one interacts with the clients. Posting pre designed ads is not getting the results and I suppose could be classed as spam with not much interest. Ideally I need to interact with clients and hopefully direct them to the right solution for them.
I would appreciate if you could guide me in the direction that best suits the interaction
Taylor Bonds13/09/2016 #93 Aurorasa Sima#92 And you could help me understand what your hive is about. When I looked there was a quote or meme, another article and mainly posts by you. Therefore, I thought it´s a UX hive and you are witness to the fact that I don´t have much to add to that topic.
Fly then, little bee, and bring home that honey. As long as it´s qualified sales and B2B, the posts don´t have to be about storytelling.
Storytelling, Emotional Intelligence (Vulnerability, Empathy ...), Sales.
PS: There might be administerial equity in your future (;13/09/2016 #92 John Vaughan#89 Yes, @Aurorasa Sima - the Bell Labs example could be called an intranet, since it was intended to bring "affinity" attributes to a workplace/collaboration-oriented environment.
I will continue to address 'the issues', but since beBee does not value design or usability contributions with ambassadorial equity, I will not continue to post solutions here.
I like the idea of 'story seekers" and have joined. I've crafted some (in my mind) interesting and valuable solutions for the interactive sales & marketing arena and will post references to those when I've crafted an article.
It's the whole 'cross-pollination' thing.12/09/2016 #90 Aurorasa Sima#83 I think the mass tag thing is pasé, the hives will fill and until changes have been made, people will learn to be disciplined enough to only join hives they care about or check less popular business hives proactively for new content.
I tagged you earlier (: In an anti-tagging honey (: