- Producer20/07/2016Affinity Networking Is On the LineA LOT OF BEES ARE TALKING THE TALK, BUT HOW MANY ARE READY TO WALK THE WALK? ...On a recent installment of "He Said He Said" (Vol 17, by Jim Murray and Phil Friedman) an issue arose about the nature of Affinity Networking. And I was very surprised...
Comments26/09/2016 #338 Phil Friedman#337 Thank you Karen Anne for reading and commenting. I notice that you are designated a CNN Women Leaders 2015. Have you seen @Jim Able's CNNN news bulletins, bringing you all the news that's unfit to print? https://www.bebee.com/producer/@jim-able/bringing-you-all-the-news-that-s-unfit-to-print22/09/2016 #335 Mark AnthonyI will certainly be more careful than I have been previously on other sites . I thought ooh , that sounds interesting I'll follow. Before I knew it I was being bombarded with an overload of complete nonsense , memes used to mean a sub culture to me ! But I am a bit of newbie22/09/2016 #330 Phil Friedman#327 Okay, Gerald. So how about we do a recap at this point. How many who have been following this discussion have actually taken some action to sharpen up their Affinity Networking? Are you muting the noise? Are you reselecting the hives that deliver the content you want, and filter that which you don't? Are you muting the users who consistently post what you consider drivel? Hey, stay away from that mute button on my Profile Page!22/09/2016 #324 Phil Friedman#321 Gerald, you may be sorry that not everyone is good with words, but do not, my friend, believe for a moment that you fall into that category. Before writing comes thought. Personally, I find many of your insights fascinating and intellectually enriching. And that is where the rubber meets the road. Keep truckin' and stay cheerful!
- Producer15/09/2016Never Give UpNoble Goals is the topic of #thedailychalkboard today. I'd love to hear about your goals and what you're doing to reach them....
Comments17/09/2016 #12 Michael NakagakiHi I also found it hard to view the text in the graphic until I viewed it horizontally. One thing I have found with graphics is that JPG images are better for photos and PNG are usually better for computer graphics. It might have to do with differences in compression algorithm but I just find PNG to be "crisper" with things like you are doing.16/09/2016 #11 Michael D. DavisSo, @Ben Pinto and @Aurorasa Sima , plus anyone else having difficulty reading #thedailychalkboard posts, here's a link that you can bookmark that will take you to the current entry, plus an archive of all postings made with my change to the new format. The link: https://dayone.me/2GYRzTu Feel free to let me know if this works better for you. Cheers! #michaelddavis16/09/2016 #9 Lisa GallagherI have to give my husband props on this one! Although, he's never been referred to as a loser, he never gives up. He's always helping others even when he could be taking a break. He does not like to let people down. It's both, a curse and a gift. That's part of his success as well, people know they can count on him, even when I may see it as being taken advantage of.16/09/2016 #7 Ben Pinto#5 @Michael D. Davis, there is a new hive for wants of improvements to beBee and it is called Wannabee, with the logo being the angelic image of a bee whose praying arms and hands resemble the letter W. I will repollinate this honey over there. Please join us in making this site better without a gripe session (also join Gripe for some serious bitchin'.)16/09/2016 #6 Ben Pinto#2 First and foremost as an ENFP I was attempting to be funny, but I do so with primary meaning, and as @Aurorasa Sima, also declared this is an ongoing problem on, in my case, iPhones (for sure) and some social sites. Usually clicking allows the image to be blown up or the phone can be turned sideways for the same thing to happen automatically.
Take the light grey color of chalk in a light black blackboard (due to dry erasure prior to writing) and couple it with a teeny image and eyes that coukd use reading glasses but usually don't need to and I (and the masses) have a problem.
Back to the ENFP thing. When Ellen DeGeneres, whose retail shoe line is called ED, tweeted an image of her catching a ride on an Olympic runner's back, the public lashed out with all sorts of racist claims. Had the runner been of very light complexion those same people might have found it funny. Having the same way of comedic thinking as Mark Twain, Anne Frank, Robin Williams, and 7% of the Earth's population, I can tell you that I thought it was very funny and the thought that they weren't of the same color never crossed my mind.15/09/2016 #2 Michael D. DavisHere you go @Ben Pinto, or are you just being funny?
Do you know someone who persists no matter what? You know, the one beat down by hard luck who just never seems to bring it all together, but in spite of it all keeps on moving forward one hard fought inch at a time?
Do you know that one individual who regardless of circumstances always has a smile on their face, a good word for everyone they meet and never skips an opportunity to share whatever they have with others?
You may have overheard people refer to this person as a loser because they are so concerned about other people’s well being that they don’t reach any of their own goals. Maybe it’s even crossed your mind that they aren’t what people would consider a success.
Here's the thing; this person is actually the winner in life. They’ve figured out that helping others with whatever they have and however they can is the most noble goal of all. It's not money, or fame or recognition that they strive for. It’s the simple joy of putting a smile on someone’s face that is their pay off. They never give up on either themselves or others.
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- Producer15/09/2016Stop saying for creative it is necessary to work for freeWhen Steve Jobs was looking for a designer to create the logo of his post-Apple company, NeXT, he asked the designer Paul Rand to create some samples before hiring him formally. But instead of receiving parts for free, Jobs learned a lesson about...
Comments19/09/2016 #29 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Praveen Raj Gullepalli you touched on a very important point for me, undue favors to achieve personal gain , whatever it is , you gave me a very good idea when I read your comment , until something no Brazilian was against Brazil's largest corruption scandal or the world perhaps ( they mask any information on the subject ) , can be shown by simple words , the real Brazil does not condone interests of politicians and businessmen who can not live in a free market , and therefore transform that was income of many workers in oligopolies , monopolies to perpetuate themselves in power, apologize to the world on behalf of Brazilians in good faith, early risers , like me, to win the daily bread and that there are Brazilians like me, who want something beyond..19/09/2016 #28 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Jim Murray thank you for sharing this post , had some problems and did not have a position to respond with agility, as the statement that I made @Ben Pinto on a problem experienced last week where people because of their egos do not give value to real solution or do not want to see for any frivolous reason, I see so many errors in the field of software that I work , the simple solution to solve, is to sit next to the shop floor in the people who make the deal happen , if I were a software developer without doubt some would, the example I gave is a global insurance company , which is very famous in my country , but they are with their eyes on the wrong side .19/09/2016 #27 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Ben Pinto eloquent perspective and sensible, thank you for describing with extreme simplicity and so I understand about your line of business , are several actions to work around this, like a lot of technology , I see so many mistakes in the companies for which I pay services and account superb people and without future vision often fail to solve the problem , in order to create another problem. these days she needed to solve a problem on a proposal for insurance with a worldwide insurance company , the person who answers me that cia, did not write down my suggestion to change a brief configuration of their systems , I said that could decrease about 70 % of links that do, but did not issue any and then questioned me why I produce in a competitor.19/09/2016 #26 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Jena Ball I agree fully , I have many problems in my area in this direction for many years serve non- customers in order to loyalty them in 10 years only 1 client closed this failure and malicious strategy from a former partner, professional development and human being as equal is essential to the common good. No doubt you played a very vital point , the lack of acceptance in a market where rules are said and imposed a totally slave form , make fewer people want to demonstrate their ability to write or develop any other task with the fear of new , fear of rejection in its business lines , also fear the day when there are no more innovations , only the control imposed by the media and organizations that do not value the true human labor whatever it is .18/09/2016 #24 Praveen Raj GullepalliA very relevant buzz! Some translation though!;) But yeah, you touched a raw, long exposed nerve there Flavio! Portfolios and Pitches, or a promised Perk do make things work usually. The free Spec (I tend to read that as Specimen and not Speculative creative...) thingy is something the new age biz admins have cooked up i guess, to impress bosses and get more for less. The squeezers! :) But I would say that the creative community itself is to blame for this. Those few rotten apples. Reneging Account Managers too. They destroyed the typical Ad creative team set up by forming briefcase agencies...totally messing up the 15% agency commission paradigm that took care of all, everyone...by selling creative free for a fraction of that percentage...by saying Yes to Spec. Ad or biz Creative is always team work. I believe only painters, ajrtists and writers are creative professionals who can go it solo. I have yet to see mind blowing copy+plus art creatives consistently churned by one man / single creative professional, though many do succeed to a reasonable, functional level creative extent. But both copy and design can deliver the goods standalone in some cases. Coming back to Spec, apart from saying NO, the next best thing would be to engage someone who can sell your portfolio if you cannot do it yourself and avoid spec-ing. And virtually, that someone could well be beBee...and i really believe it is a better showcase for creative bees than any other right now.18/09/2016 #23 Praveen Raj Gullepalli#13 Or, as is commonly the case here, the department-in-charge or purchase officer wants a kickback before he approves you as the right vendor basis your portfolio! ;) And that means you not only spend time creating but also money ensuring...There sure is a lot more happening than what meets the eye when it comes to selling creatives these days.18/09/2016 #21 Jim MurrayOutstanding post, @Flávio Rodrigues Vieira. I'm going to repost this in the All Business hive. I saw the video from Zak's agency. It' was terrific and made the point in spades. I mostly do work for smaller business now and get hired mainly on the strength of the chemistry I share with the clients. So there's really no Pitching per se. They either like me or they don't, which is a hell of a lot more fair than blowing your brains out creatively when most of the time you don't even know what the real business challenge is.18/09/2016 #19 Jena BallThis is an ongoing and persistent problem in my field - writing. I thank you for bringing up and discussing it (loved the video). After almost eight years of being told by my business partner that I had to work for free to establish my credentials, I finally put my foot down. It was clear that those for whom I had worked free of charge had no intention of paying me going forward and did not value what they had been given. It was a difficult and costly lesson.
May I also add that it doesn't help when organizations like the Huffington Post expect writers to contribute to their publication for free.This is not only unprofessional, unethical and shameful, but robs us of some of the most important contributors to our collective wisdom. Writers have to eat, the same as anyone else, and writing for free just doesn't cut it. Plus writing is HARD work. I am also quite certain that neither Arianna nor her staff goes unpaid. As Ursula K. LeGuin recently put it so eloquently, "I think hard times are coming when we will be wanting the voices of writers who can see alternatives to how we live now and can see through our fear-stricken society and its obsessive technologies to other ways of being, and even imagine some real grounds for hope. We will need writers who can remember freedom. Poets, visionaries—the realists of a larger reality."
Thank you again Flavio!18/09/2016 #18 Charles David Upchurch#15 @Ben Pinto it sounds like your design/build example is a clever way of ensuring payment for the design phase of the work. In reference to this article by @Flàvio, it seems like the relative scarcity of that type of creator with good references, as compared to the abundance of graphic artists and writers, might be a clue as to why many customers of artists think they "should" get free samples.16/09/2016 #17 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Ken Boddie hank you for sharing your experience, I have a great example , my brother and I have always been very turn on the technology and simple forms of automation, only to facilitate our day to day , he works at the electric company in my city , one day he developed an automation to improve his work , his manager in turn , found incredible and asked him detailed my your idea, right after that , he signed a deal with a friend who did not work in the company, for approximately R$ 200K since then we believe in the value of work as a starting point to achieve some equality among the old wolves of the sea.16/09/2016 #16 Flávio Rodrigues Vieira@Paul Walters extremely interesting your point of view, and not just in the business of marketing and advertising , several companies / people want a quality service without even knowing the importance and difficulty of being there willing every day , do not quite understand how it works in other countries, but where I live , I see this a lot, a good example: veterinarian you can take a peek at my pet ?
without taking into consideration the time and effort lost to save the lives of animals, architect and interior design as well, many end up submitting the hope of achieving a real contract , I believe the valuation profession , love himself the work that develops only so we will take awareness of the importance of all the work whatever it is.16/09/2016 #14 Ben PintoRather than give free estimates for room additions, kitchen remodeling, and jobs of that nature contractors sold design/build services as early as the late seventies. Design/build continues to be used by some upper scale firms through today. It charges the customer, up front, to develop plans with many companies discounting the job by that same amount or a portion of it should the homeowner contract for the work.No more free plans that could be used by contractor 2 and 3 to bid against the one who provided the free work on speculation. "Sorry, can you tell me what spec work is," became the 'line' of the day at the Nationsl Association of Home Builders Remodelors [sic] Council (TM) meetings. They were in those days at the forefront of the new technologies in radon detection and education.16/09/2016 #13 Ken BoddieI enjoyed reading this, Flávio, and the video is brilliant. Consulting engineers are also constantly being asked to produce designs as part of the bidding process for government departments and large consortiums. Wish I had the balls to ask for up-front, unpaid, trial services, before I consent to provide my return business for the following:
- trial diagnosis and diagnostic tests from a doctor and pathology lab;
- trial filling, or better still, root canal and cap, from a dentist; and
- trial oil and lube change and service from a car mechanic;
Or how about a trial long haul flight with an airline in order to determine whether the seats are comfortable enough, the food to my liking, and the baggage handlers gentle enough with my luggage (that last one's really laughable) to guarantee them my return business? One of the problems with large entities like state of federal government departments is that many of the mid and lower level management are completely divorced from the process of how private enterprise makes money and maintains its cash flow.16/09/2016 #12 Charles David Upchurch@Ben Pinto "spec." Is short for speculative.
In the USA, housing developers and construction companies often build homes or office buildings designed after speculating as to what prospective customers in that area would be most likely to purchase. They call this "building 'on spec.'
It is much higher in risk (of not finding a buyer) as compared to up-front owner-builder contracts, which are often called "custom building" but there is also greater potential for profit in "spec work," because the builder does not have to be as creative, so they can mostly use standard designs and standard materials, and only need to solve quality problems for customers, not adapting their creations to all of the customers' needs.16/09/2016 #11 Paul Walters@Flávio Rodrigues Vieira Thanks for that post. A few years ago I sold my agency for a number of reasons but at the top of the list were clients who wanted to 'see' the work before paying you! Ditto with pitching. Companies ( large) and government would put out an 'invitation ' to pitch for the account. This would involve a full creative presentation including logos, demo jingles, storey boards for TV etc. In some instances we spent upwards of $50K on these pitches only to come 'second!!! No fee paid for the work just a 'nice' letter to say we were ever so close in winning the business. Imagine asking a builder to build you a house and if you like it you pay, if not you simply walk away. We stopped pitching and doing any 'spec' work and guess what we seemed to get more accounts and became infinitely more profitable!! Its up to the creatives to simply say no as their portfolios speak for themselves. Ditto "fishing ' on lines for cheap creatives who sell themselves far too cheaply ... its a crime I tell ya!!!!!!
- Producer12/09/2016Letter from a tired metabolismDear human, I know you've been disappointed in me. I know that in recent times you hide me beneath baggy clothes and avoids beach. dear human, I know you've been disappointed in me. I know that in recent times you hide me beneath...
- Producer07/09/2016I Wish, I Wish for... a Perfect PublisherTAKING A LOOK AT WHAT MATTERS MOST TO WRITER-PUBLISHERS ON beBee Preface: For the record, I'm a beBee booster. Have been since beBee Social Marketing Director John White, MBA first suggested to me that...
Comments01/10/2016 #122 Phil Friedman#121 thank you Ben. I will leave my reply up because it clarifies what I've been suggesting, and may be useful to the discussion. I agree with you about the advantages of authors promoting not only their own work, but that iof others as well. I just believe each of us should have a say in which authors are associated with us and our work. Thanks.cheers!01/10/2016 #120 Phil Friedman#119 Sorry, Bennie, but I don't see why you say it's my math or why you comment is directed at me. My suggestion was originally that one of the three ad boxes at the bottom be for the author's posts, while the other two boxes highlight other authors CHOSEN BY THE AUTHOR OF THE POST. No algorithm involved, unless that author fails to make the selection. Thus, the author of the post gets to control who and what is associated with his or her work. Cheers!01/10/2016 #119 Ben PintoOk @Phil Friedman, I have to say that either you didn't do your homework or your math skills are off:
At first I was happy to agree with your peeve about advertising three buzzes from other bees at the bottom of your honey. Now that I have been paying attention to this it is a teeny price to pay BECAUSE of all the publicity you get when you are one of the three at the bottom of other Bee's buzzes.
About the research - next time you are with someone else that is on beBee ask to take a look at their viewpoint. In the case of me YOU ARE ADVERTISED ON ALMOST EVERY PAGE I SEE!!!!!!! Which I wouldn't mind at all if if your rogues gallery shot was replaced with my wife's picture. Perhaps a better solution would involve a number of criteria to form a fairer algorithm.13/09/2016 #117 Ben PintoWe are Fried Man! In others words, I think any respectable author and people like me would have to agree with you! I am reposting this to a newer hive called Wannabee. I have asked @Javier beBee and @Juan Imaz and other beBee people to join, because what is good for the gander is good for the goose.
People like @Phil Friedman and myself have used argumentative writing since before we knew the name for it. I remember a piece I wrote in 6th grade. The point is that showing how we wannabees, want to be on beBee, will make the managing of ideas easier on the beBee management team.09/09/2016 #115 Gerald Hecht#108 @Milos Djukic I think we both have some stories; in Psychology/Neuroscience...the world is still so small it can downright rattle a person... I think I told you about this massive crowd-sourced endeavor called Neurotree; I don't know if you checked it out or not...but I think you would love it (if for no other reason than this conversation) even if not a Psycho! It's the idea of mapping the ENTIRE ACADEMIC FAMILY TREE for an ENTIRE BRANCH OF SCIENCE! Psychos and Neuros just happen to be "young enough" to have been thoroughly documented even before this interactive TREE!! It is such GREAT FUN!!! It also "EXPLAINS STUFF" in the same way that learning things about your "crazy aunt" in your "real family tree" does...real quick...I thought I was a rebel, who somehow got into a world class academic bloodline...exploring the tree; revealed the more mundane truth "they wouldn't have had me any other way", lol --couldn't have http://neurotree.org09/09/2016 #114 Gerald Hecht#112 @Phil Friedman it's something --you they that nobody really is gonna change anyone else's core beliefs with an argument and yh'a may well be true. It also becomes irrelevant when you are interacting with someone at the level...I mean it can't just be me; it matters not in the least if you agree or disagree with the idea(s) --I don't even know how to describe it coherently; I imagine it's like a boxer training with that perfect sparring partner (right and wrong don't even exist anymore) winning/losing/competition thingies go similarly bye bye...and afterwords (speculating with your interactions with Noam Chomsky)...something has changed! Something in Phil and something in Noam! Given the intensity of the discussions hear regarding "science" --I'm hesitant to bring up the word "alchemy" and I probably will vanish if a discussion about that topic ensues ( at least for a few weeks)... but umm...well actually nevermind09/09/2016 #113 Anonymous#112 You @Phil Friedman are correct. And then we have some article ghost-written (by some self proclaimed ghostwriter) by some self proclaimed or corporate interests motivated "influencer", phew. "Content marketing", It used to be sad, even comical. Which content marketing? By some self proclaimed ghostwriter or some self proclaimed or corporate interests motivated "influencer"? The agony of social media writing :)09/09/2016 #112 Phil Friedman#108 You, @Milos Djukic. and Gerald Hecht are correct about the power of meeting a great mind in person. I was fortunate that while I was in graduate school Noam Chomsky spent several months there as a scientist in residence, and i had the opportunity to attend a couple of his seminar style talks. Much different from just reading his work. Cheers!09/09/2016 #109 Anonymous#107 Yap @Gerald Hecht :) It's true. That is the reason why I wrote: "The moment when we start to believe that we are influential is at the same time the final moment for our own rigorous review, reconsideration and implementation of all necessary corrections." and @John White, MBA, my friend (oops Our friend :)) loves this quote. Glory and respect should be above the mist or any kind of mystification. First of all, it is a great responsibility. Ego is a very strange beast, which is often unreasonably hungry. Then we become futile.09/09/2016 #108 Anonymous#106 @Gerald Hecht, Yes it was him, Edward Lorenz. My mother knew Niels Bohr (Bohr model of the atom) Nobel Laureate. She was a metallurgist. Unfortunately, Prof Mandelbrot has never received the Nobel Prize. I've experienced him as a humble man of the utmost integrity. It is hard to explain that someone's lecture can influence someone's change in thinking, but it is true. I realized that his praise was the most genuine. He was a fractal. We should not have the slightest doubt that any breakthroughs were preceded by “creative chaos”. Of course, such a creative chaos certainly involves some very heated discussions, confronted opinions and disagreements. I also believe that you have the potential for "greatness", please do not ask me how :))) You're different, my friend, definitely ("not necessarily in a good way" :)) A great person deserves no less.. I recently also met Paul C. Paris (Paris' law), pioneer of fracture mechanics. These are important things for a scientist.
About your sense of humor:
"For some people, childlike behavior, after reaching maturity, can be an indication of emotional immaturity. I have a tendency for revert to "childish" behavior. Children love to play; their game is a fascinating evidence of commitment to truth. Children are inexhaustible source of some of the most wonderful wisdom. The problem is that most adults with years gradually lose the mind of a toy. Termination of playing is the ultimate sign of the beginning of stagnation. Of course, I believe that we will not fall into a dangerous trap." - from "Leadership and Successful Human Conversations", LI long-form post, March, 2015 (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/leadership-successful-human-conversations-milos-djukic?trk=mp-reader-card)09/09/2016 #107 Gerald Hecht#101 @Milos Djukic Interestingly, in a "pre social media world" , it was also Enrico Alleva who said to me (and I believe he was very serious), that: "in the academy, many of the most influential thinkers, go to their graves filled with regret that their ideas were never influential" (it's haunting in Italian, I remember that much --I don't remember his way of saying it BUT I wrote it down carefully and still have it in a box from that meeting; also in Latin...which isn't as "haunting"); I must dig those out.09/09/2016 #106 Gerald Hecht#86 @Milos Djukic was the it Lorenz who first coined the phrase "Butterfly Effect?" I know that when one has the opportunity to speak with thinkers of that caliber, it's extremely cool; because very often, this heretofore "hidden" (and human) aspect of the construct(s) for which they are known provides insights; for me, hanging out for two weeks (also in Italy) with the Neuroscientist Enrico Alleva at a NATO-ASI was kind of life changing...not necessarily in a good way; I distinctively remember him telling me that I had the potential for "greatness", if I could learn to let my sense of humor shine --"be crazy!"...I was one of about 6 or 7 American Scientists Invited...on the 2nd day they stopped serving pitchers of wine at lunch --because the "Americans couldn't handle it...he convinced me to stand up pond my fist on the table and say: "IT WOULD BEBA SIN TO SERVE FISH WITHOUT WINE!"...I did it! I have never been the same --we had wine at lunch for the duration!!09/09/2016 #103 Anonymous#100 @Phil Friedman, I use C-Butterfly and Fractal metaphors, but very carefully and not always. Metaphor sounds like fun and fellowship in search of the essence of something that is complex. Social networks are complex adaptive systems, as well as our interaction and the final results: common progress and prosperity.
"Interestingly, we find that the influence of the metaphorical framing effect is covert: people do not recognize metaphors as
influential in their decisions; instead they point to more ‘‘substantive’’ (often numerical) information as the motivation for
their problem-solving decision." - A quote from an article: Thibodeau PH, Boroditsky L (2011) Metaphors We Think With: The Role of Metaphor in Reasoning. PLoS ONE 6(2): e16782. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0016782
- Producer12/09/2016Why You Want To Join WannabeeGripe was a hive that started for griping about anything. Those of us that love beBee don't want to see a bunch of griping about the network, especially since it is still evolving so fast. I am guilty of this and feel guilty about it. So I am doing...
- Producer09/09/2016Sort of .... but not really.The little bell icon in the upper-right of my beBee screen has a bunch of numbers in it."Oh boy!", sez I. "These are Notifications! Maybe somebody likes me. Let's see who." ... and I click on it.Here's what I find : Some people have liked my...
Comments14/09/2016 #113 John Vaughan#110 glad to hear about beBee's quest for Venture Capital @Aurorasa Sima
The punchline is ... what do you invest it in? In a similar vein - Kudos for LinkedIn's buyout by Microsoft. In both instances ... we'll see ...
Don't know what you mean by Bell Labs being "a homogeneous environment" (uniform, identical, unvaried, consistent, indistinguishable ... consisting of parts all of the same kind). Maybe it looks that way to you, but I respectfully disagree. In any case, it was effective for other reasons.
Likewise "altruism" (the belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others) actually has merit beyond shallow marketing 'feel good' jive. But that's another rant ...
Here's a Case in Point from the WayBack Machine:
COMMUNITY SERVICES SITE Pro Bono community work http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/pack-215.html
Showcase: SOCIAL http://www.jcvtcs.com/showcases/showcase-social.html13/09/2016 #110 Aurorasa Sima#109 Altruism? Great agenda, the motivation is that helping people makes altruistic people feel good (:
Maybe you are more concerned because you are addressing issues for a longer period of time. The bossi bees are currently traveling overseas to get VC that they to my knowledge are planning to use for product development and growth. Will that solve all the strategic and structural problems in the world at once? Probably not but it´s an essential step.
We could leave for something better, work with what we have or build our own. As a change expert, you could teach me that change is a process that often happens in small steps.
The Bell Labs thingie was a great thingie. A tad easier maybe because it happened in a homogeneous environment.13/09/2016 #109 John Vaughan#100 " Self-marketing happens in every form of relationship." is a given, @Aurorasa Sima
We also draw some boundaries so that the words have meaning as you note in your attempt to differentiate between "understandable/acceptable" marketing and "over-the top/manipulative" marketing
I'd add another 'agenda' for why people are in this community: Altruism. Yep, I said it. Look at anyone's profile - and how they describe themselves. Volunteer work, hobbies, community involvement - even political activism - are all important aspects of how we value our world. It's a fair amount of what we post about. These are 'labors of love'. I often work with volunteer and non-profit groups, with the motivation of "the greater good". It's always interesting to see how 'marketing' and 'self-promotion' are viewed in those environments. But that's another rant.
I'm glad we agree about "just because you build it" ... but part of my insight was that NO amount of promotion or marketing would really make a successful difference in this environment. Because: Collaboration is not perceived as having any real value. Perhaps it is valued by a few customer-members, but it's not systemically important to beBee. No blame. That's just what it is.
That was the beauty of the Bell Labs thingie: The opportunity to pursue good ideas creatively in a supportive environment (with really smart people, too. What's not to like?). beBee just doesn't have the resources and furthermore (no offense) doesn't really strategically 'get it' either. No blame. That's just what it isn't.13/09/2016 #106 John Vaughan#103 "Yes, it's deceptive from the recipient's view, but it doesn't mean the taggers are being deliberately deceptive." says @Robert Bacal
Agreed. In my original article, I didn't get into motivation - Just noting behavior. A little analysis. And alluding to solutions.
A classic moment in almost any UX engagement:
* 2 minutes - identifying a "glitch'" like this as a problem that should be addressed
* 2 weeks or more - dealing with reflexive, reactive pushback, finger-pointing, blame, defensiveness, butt-covering, etc. that is the inevitable result of .... change
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@john-vaughan/change13/09/2016 #104 John Vaughan#89 "Was the Alcatel (Bell Labs http://www.jcvtcs.com/portfolio/bell-labs.html) solution an Intranet?" asked @Aurorasa Sima
Short answer: Yes
Relevance: Organizations & businesses who want to evolve socialNet capabilities for their in-house community (i.e. intranet + some affinity attributes) ALSO want to leverage that 'networking' in order to (ahem) ... do something worthwhile. Collaborate.
'Affinity' for beBee is a brand more than it is a differentiator - in the sense that ALL socialnets are based on affinity attributes. Variations on a common theme. beBee trumpets a couple of features, but thy're not real market-makers. Any valuable features will be knocked off by competitors (They always are). Right now beBee doesn't appear to be successfully integrating The Good Stuff from their competitors. Aside from that, beBee's got a strong international profile (and plenty of language-barrier silos as a result). Automated translation solutions will be iffy, at best.
The Collaboration Engine (Your Intranet on Steroids) is the REAL Next Big Thing. There's a ready market for it. But only if you've got a solution.13/09/2016 #103 Robert Bacal#98 John @John Vaughan Yes, it's deceptive from the recipient's view, but it doesn't mean the taggers are being deliberately deceptive. In fact, I don't think anyone says: OK, I'm going to tag/mention a bunch of people to trick them into coming here.
I've come to the conclusion that the problem isn't the users, although there are a few that I see as spammers, but the Bebee system of notifications, which is downright terrible. And, that Hives don't send notifications. You'd think that after all the LinkedIn mistakes, Bebee would ensure that this essential part of the interface function the way it ought to. I AM wasting a lot of time checking out all the notifications that pop up, finding most don't have anything to do with anything I wrote. It's a deal killer, and unless it changes - i.e. how notifications work here, I may have to shut down my involvement.13/09/2016 #102 John Vaughan#93 What is beBee+Plus? @Aurorasa Sima
"Make beBee all it can beBee" (It's a 'work in progress)
Post Challenges and kick around Solutions.
Keywords: Collaboration, Creativity, Crowdsourcing
I'm a 'solutions guy'. It's what I do, professionally. I was a squeaky-wheel-with-a-decent-following of professional colleagues at LinkedIn. LinkedIn was a powerful vision that stagnated - and abandoned its commitment to the professional Groups who'd made its success possible in the first place. Then beBee became "the new kid on the block". (There have been many. There will be more.) So there's a window of opportunity for Change. (There have been many. There will be more.) I've built and pioneered a fair amount of stuff over time - most of it "ahead of its time". I enjoy being on the cutting edge - even tho it can cut you. beBee+Plus would be a safe space for those of us who actually have something valuable to contribute ... to contribute. And to play together. As regards Crowdsourcing, Creativity, and Collaboration - I am a believer-with-solutions-credibility. And beBee is ... yet another Work In Progress.
Just because "you build it" doesn't necessarily mean that "they will come". Like many/most other groups (esp during startup), I primed the pump with my own articles. (Not unusual: beBee's self-marketing is something like 16% of this site's content https://www.bebee.com/producer/@john-vaughan/the-mirror-100-posts-our-content-profile). When you look at the Facebook-y profile of beBee (and the fact that many of us deserted LinkedIn because it, too, had become just another trivialized marketing engine) you can see why an active, particpatory, solutions-oriented collaboration Group wasn't exactly destined to succeed. It's past tense now: Haven't posted much there lately, have considered shutting it down, and ... running out of space on this Comment.
There ya go.
Thanks for your interest.13/09/2016 #100 Aurorasa Sima#99 Self-marketing happens in every form of relationship. It starts when you chose the shirt that looks nice on you.
There will be no community consisting of people with different agendas without self-promo. I differentiate between people who add value in order to promote themselves and people who post valueless salesy messages. It´s too early to say, but so far the last type has no traction on this site.
You are right. Just because you build it does not mean they´ll come. It´s a bet. Promotion and being a role model can influence the odds.
I love that you´re a solutions guy, someone who can add value and be a problem solver. Let´s get that window open, then. Unless you know of other undeveloped plots it seems like the right thing to do.13/09/2016 #97 John Vaughan#95 You pose some interesting challenges @Taylor Bonds and @Kerry Taylor
I don't know if you are asking about how to 'interact with clients' on social media, thru your website, or thru beBee in specific. Or all of the above?
In any case, it's a big bunch of questions. Worthy of a book - and there are some good ones out there. You might ask beBee to guide you to how to do it here. Marketing - and specifically Self-marketing - is pretty much what beBee is all about. More so than "professional".
beBee should probably take your request as more evidence that they should develop tools, techniques, and philosophy to support you and members like you. I no longer provide Solutions Suggestions in this venue.
From my own struggle with juggling multiple socialNets: Your "internal organization" is key to efficiency. Information Architecture - the librarying of what's-there-and-what-you-have-to-play-with - (an Inventory, if you will) is a good first step. And you probably want to 'map Process' (what you do, how the tools work). This guides you to a Template (replicable solution) that works for you. There are lots of Patterns. Get to know yours. Your keyword is "convergence".
You have my sympathy and support. Convergence is a bitch. Make it yours.
http://www.jcvtcs.com/techniques/social-convergence.html : Video = several years old (2012), but still sorta relevant13/09/2016 #95 Taylor BondsHi John. It is definitely not the age of the technically challenged. I a new to this whole social media marketing and have registered FB, LinkedIn and now with Bebee. I have a web developer that I am using to do the development of my site and to try and interact with my clients.
I am interested to know how one interacts with the clients. Posting pre designed ads is not getting the results and I suppose could be classed as spam with not much interest. Ideally I need to interact with clients and hopefully direct them to the right solution for them.
I would appreciate if you could guide me in the direction that best suits the interaction
Taylor Bonds13/09/2016 #93 Aurorasa Sima#92 And you could help me understand what your hive is about. When I looked there was a quote or meme, another article and mainly posts by you. Therefore, I thought it´s a UX hive and you are witness to the fact that I don´t have much to add to that topic.
Fly then, little bee, and bring home that honey. As long as it´s qualified sales and B2B, the posts don´t have to be about storytelling.
Storytelling, Emotional Intelligence (Vulnerability, Empathy ...), Sales.
PS: There might be administerial equity in your future (;13/09/2016 #92 John Vaughan#89 Yes, @Aurorasa Sima - the Bell Labs example could be called an intranet, since it was intended to bring "affinity" attributes to a workplace/collaboration-oriented environment.
I will continue to address 'the issues', but since beBee does not value design or usability contributions with ambassadorial equity, I will not continue to post solutions here.
I like the idea of 'story seekers" and have joined. I've crafted some (in my mind) interesting and valuable solutions for the interactive sales & marketing arena and will post references to those when I've crafted an article.
It's the whole 'cross-pollination' thing.12/09/2016 #90 Aurorasa Sima#83 I think the mass tag thing is pasé, the hives will fill and until changes have been made, people will learn to be disciplined enough to only join hives they care about or check less popular business hives proactively for new content.
I tagged you earlier (: In an anti-tagging honey (:12/09/2016 #89 Aurorasa Sima#83 Was the Alcatel solution an Intranet? Anyway ..
The level of quality and interaction you are looking for is only possible in closed groups/hives. What Phil and you did (me too), creating hives, is the way to go. I´m sure that conceptual changes are possible that can help the site (yes, content management or something like a table of contents would help. I suggested a number of unread posts next to the hive name) - you know more about that and I hope you will not stop addressing the issues.
Currently, there are not many active English speaking members on here. The percentage of professional:entertaining is ... just like in real life.
beBee has appointed ambassadors, that have the task of promoting the site further.
Quality content like yours or the "all business" hive is needed to invite new members that share your mindset to stay and become active. Feeds from hives do get pushed to users feed. If they don´t see them they are probably part of very active hives, like i.e. "English" or "Lifestyle".
Come, join me https://www.bebee.com/group/story-seekers - I´m all alone.
Personally, I´ve applied the 100-day rule and will see what happens. I also would not write articles for 3 people for unlimited amounts of time.
Besides good communication, I would also like to form business connections.
A part of the people I want to reach will not go to beBee, or maybe with an alter Ego. Top Managers, at least from most corporations, use LI as a static extended business card and I would not see a reason for them to join an affinity-based site, independent of the quality of the structure or its content.
Maybe a few masochistic ones will show up that want to get hit by a bus of salespeople or end their careers by sharing how they read the communist manifesto between Thai massage and binge watching The Walking Dead.