Two illusions don't make a fact

Two illusions don't make a fact

Joris Plaatstaal made a great comment on one of my recent buzzes titled "Conscious and Subconscious Questions". This comment led me to respond by saying that ""Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge." Joris responded by writing "This is an interaction I truly love. ......Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge...... It is just great; I did not realize that while commenting. You kick my thoughts a step further and at this time I am not sure why.....

Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge. There are so many ways to look at that. I will have to let it sink in". So, I did as the comment of Joris kicked my thoughts two steps further. Pondering deeply on these exchanges of comments led me to modify my thinking to "Between the illusion of freedom and the illusion of knowledge there is a borderline".

We live in a world which suffers from two major illusions: the illusion of knowledge and the illusion of freedom". What kind of a borderline that separates the two illusions? Do two illusions lead to finding facts or they lead us astray?

I want first to cover two aspects of the illusion of knowledge. How many times we knew more to know less? How many times we were trapped by the illusion of a great scientist who made a theory and only years later the theory was proven wrong? Aristotle did that for hundreds of years when he said that our universe consists of four elements only?

The internet is becoming a major source of the illusion of knowledge. This has been shown by three researchers at Yale University. The researchers, Matthew Fisher, Mariel Goddu, and Frank Keil found out that because we have easy access to search the net we may know more. This is an illusion of the internet and technology enhancing the emerging phenomena of knowledge illusion.

The internet hasn't only enhanced our knowledge illusion because it did that with the simultaneity of increasing our freedom illusion. We are filled of fear of hackers who would do all sorts of things to jeopardize our personal and societal freedom. We have witnessed religious fanatics using knowledge to restrict our freedom of thinking. We have seen governments laying rules to free us when in fact they enslave us. Stephen Hawking expressed this fact very eloquently "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge".

Is there a borderline between two illusions? Do two illusions produce a fact? I leave the answers to you dear reader.

Sameer sharma Dec 29, 2017 · #92

You should think about it is for play jigsaw puzzles online.

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CityVP 🐝 Manjit Dec 7, 2016 · #91

#90 Harvey, when freedom has to be within the confines of more than one person, then that freedom is connected by an ideology. I am not free of illusion and I am not free of ideology. For sure where there is illusion it is the barrier to truth, and so where illusion is, truth is not.

The reason I am not free of illusion or ideology is that I have not chosen to subject myself to that level of uncertainty. So for now I am settling for the blessings found in the illusions I hold.

Freedom from illusion is among the toughest if not THE toughest challenge for any human. I don't want to suggest that word blessings equates with freedom, if we had freedom, why would we be counting our blessings? Blessings are an ideology.

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Harvey Lloyd Dec 7, 2016 · #90

#89 Within an illusion can there really be truth? If so it would have to be dynamic.

This is where i guess i part company with the illusion metaphor of existence.

Freedom has to be within the confines of more than one person. My existence and beliefs establishes conflict within the freedom viewpoint. But no necessarily and illusion.

Clearly some boundaries and these boundaries need to be held in some form of dynamic ever-evolving search for truth.

This i deem to be thriving/living. Life is an illusion if we live in singularity on an island.

CityVP 🐝 Manjit Dec 7, 2016 · #89

#87 and #88 : The Yin and Yang of the illusion of freedom is that there is this hidden dependencies but there are also blessings. Authority as a dependency can create a very hostile and toxic world and here authority really is competing constituencies and the toxic power struggles in academia is a good example of that.

Life lived n any bubble will eventually burst, and our own contribution in a bubble can be something we are unconscious about. The illusion of freedom does however also bring to the fore considerable blessings also. It is in our DNA to deconstruct and tamper/tinker with things that escalate challenges, often we call these challenges "opportunity" but more often than note these challenges come up against competing interests.

A poignant word for authority then is "special interest". We think of special interest in terms of large scale effects, so we condemn practices that represent special interest, but special interest exists in the micro world also. Without consideration of blessings, we warp or shift attention to the darker side of illusion. The welcomed side of illusion is a capacity we all can have, which is our imagination, it is imagination that can move us towards truth, unless our occupation (what occupies us)

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Harvey Lloyd Dec 7, 2016 · #88

#85 This was a great comment and thought process. The illusion of freedom brought on by hidden dependencies.

I believe 9/11 showed us a micro scale disruption that could be easily scaled up by a 5th grader.

With population growth we are asking technology to grow food, make things cheaper etc. (The article you linked shows that immediate term fixes have future consequences.) With growth we are useing technology to serve, while eliminating jobs with the technology, this seems counter-intuitive.

The illusion for myself is more that we talk about unrelated issues of the short term while the devil is stealing our future. This statement could apply across a few thousand different issues. From Social to Fiscal we are sacrificing our future for intermediate gains that history has already tried and we have the results from those endeavours.

If we are not already living inside an illusion we are building one.

Max🐝 J. Carter Dec 7, 2016 · #87

#85 We create these dependencies.

. If you take the farmer metaphor what you have is an academic community living in the illusion of control called authority.

If you look at the rest of their world that is oppressed by the rules of academia you have the oppressed acting as nature showing the farmer their idea of control is nothing more than an illusion.

I had to dig to find the scientists who have found the flaws in the Theory of relativity and found a great documentary in which they discussed being shunned by the academic community to keep their stranglehold on progress based in what feeds their funding for their research.

Nature does no actually conspire against the farmer it is the farmer that conspires against nature under the delusional thinking that one has control over anything.

The only thing that puts an end to an illusion is popping the bubble and pulling back the veil.

I realize why the academic community feels threaten by this as it in a way destroys their authority and ability to dictate who is allowed to contribute based on their rules.

Nothing can stop an idea whose time has come just as the farmer can not stop the changing of the seasons as they come.

Max🐝 J. Carter Dec 7, 2016 · #86

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CityVP 🐝 Manjit Dec 7, 2016 · #85

#81 We don't see illusion because milk comes from a jug in the fridge, water comes from a turn of a faucet in the sink, bread comes from a shelf in a supermarket, light comes from a switch on the wall, and it is when these things are disrupted that we come face to face with our dependency, and what we are dependent on is this illusion of freedom. This illusion is a form of learned helplessness even for the farmer we think has a deeper connection with nature or the land and even here he system can still conspire against the farmer as they begin to conspire against nature, for when short-term thinking is an act of survival it is what disconnects people.

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