Where to Place a Tie Pin?
During my lectures lately at the “Leadership Forum” in Istanbul a fellow lecturer asked me to replace my tie pin by suggesting a different place. His suggestion aroused me to find an answer to the title of this buzz. Some questions seem simple; they aren’t.
It is amazing how findings in science extend to where we should place a tie pin. The suggestion of my fellow reminded me of a similar question- where to place the dash of an F letter. What is the best place for the dash and why? You can see the dash almost in the middle of the F letter as WinWord suggests.
If we treat a tie pin as the dash in the tie, then is it best to place it in the middle? What science says?
In fact, the answer is simply no. We know from Fibonacci numbers and the resulting Golden ratio is that the most eye-appealing place should be in accordance with the Golden Ratio. It is best 0.38 and 0.62 (total of 1). The dash and tie pin accordingly should be placed at 0.38 or 0.62 from the top of the F letter and the tie pin.
The original F and the modified F with the dash moved closer to the top
Which of the two Fs appear more appearing to the eye? It was interesting to Google for the term where to place the tie pin. One reference I found reads “The rule is simple: It goes between the third and fourth buttons of your dress shirt". So, the advice is to place the pin almost 0.62 from the top of the tie. I am not in fashions, but if I were a pin tie with the word leadership imprinted on it because I am lecturing on leadership and I want the pin to be visible. When I attach the buttons of my jacket during my lecture and socializing I want the word leadership to be apparent. For practical reasons I prefer to place the tie pin at 0.38 from the top of the tie because it shall always be exposed to the eyes.
The 0.38 Ratio is applied in buildings to give them a better aesthetic view. You can see this One example is the image below.
Schematic Plant Diagrams, Human Body Diagram, Golden Angle Diagram, Fibonacci Spiral Diagram by Gillian Jose-Riz.
The interconnections between sciences is amazingly extensible to fashions and all facets of our lives.
Where do you place your tie pin?
Added after publishing:Dear Debasish Majumder wrote a beautiful poem post to publishing this buzz. An image in the buzz attracted my attention. His use of the word dash prompted me to ask if we should be thinking 0.38% of the time of the past and the remaining).62% of the time of the future (or, vice versa). Between the two opposites where should we focus our attention? I reproduce the image with modification to illustrate my inquiry. Any thoughts on this idea?
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Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #53
Well, then let me see the outcome of the glow dear Debasish Majumder. Please remember that the glow receives its highest value when it happens in darkness. Brighten the lives of others my friend.
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #52
i cannot ignore that you play the pivotal role, triggering me to write poetry with immense potential of your own to ignite me! i glow out of your energy sir! i truly hats off to your sincere endeavor! you are truly great sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee!
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #51
This is the fallacy dear Debasish Majumder. We call them small, but forget that potential. For example, a match can burn a forest. When we consider small and trivial they are guided against our attention. Yes, as human balloons who are filled with air and make the loudest noises. Size isn't true measure of value. Is this your next poem? I shall not be surprised if it is.
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #50
small to our apparent eyes sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! when a balloon being inflated by air, it may seem that it is great. but, actually it is small in terms of the pressure being inserted upon it to accommodate the air, not considering the volume of air being inserted on it, which can be acquired more space than it is being forced to accommodate. i guess, who are we to assess what is small? do you think you are small in terms of the buzz you produced? it unleashed a lot of opinion to percolate, which alone work as a testimony how great you are sir!
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #49
The math is very simple> if your husband was to wear a tie pin what would be the best place? I am saying it is o.38% from the neck and from the length of the tie. These golden ratio applies in many other fields in our lives such as veins in our body and the way they branch. I am calling here for the need to cater for small things that make a difference. By the way I am so happy to see you back commenting. You know how much I value your comments.
Lisa Vanderburg
منذ 5 سنوات #48
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #47
Proma \ud83d\udc1d Nautiyal- thank you dear and for your appreciation of what I describe as "light buzz" By light I mean simple ideas to cope with the fact that people prefer light meals in hot summers. Yes, sometimes small differences make big impacts.
Proma Nautiyal
منذ 5 سنوات #46
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #45
Great insight Jerry Fletcher! yes, topography is a factor of immense value. we, precisely living in the climate can realize effectively how tie as well tie pin is sheer tormenting to us, precisely in hot summer.
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #44
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #43
yes, in the passage of time we observe the only constant is change Cyndi wilkins! whether tie or preening ourselves with other form of style, we just crave to make a hype! what a grand metamorphosis we adhere with just to make loud our cry! i am amused whether our inherent desire guided by any ruse!
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #42
I am the one who is thankful to you dear Debasish Majumder for you ignited the thought in my mind. Thank you again.
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #41
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #40
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #39
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #38
It is amazing in what directions comments may lead us Cyndi wilkins. The tie tucked under the vest must have been chosen for a reason. It is surprising how small things draw our attentions sometimes. Very interesting comment my friend
Cyndi wilkins
منذ 5 سنوات #37
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #36
And what did you find? Long time ago an Arab poet said" when peoples' turned double-faced I was rewarded for a smile with a deceptive smile".
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #35
Louise Smith
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #34
I don't disagree CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. I wouldn't have written the buzz if I wasn't criticized for misplacing the tie clip. What prompted me to write the buzz is it is summertime and I wanted to write a "light" buzz. I shared it on the Fashion Hive because I believe it belongs there. The larger issue is what comes first- fashion and beauty or practicality. What makes a lady walk with a high-heeled shoes and feeling terrible uncomfortable? It is following the fashion trend. The pain the lady gets from not conforming is higher for her than walking uncomfortably. If we fill the shoes with finely broken glass the pain shall multiply considerably and she might think differently. Our values are distorted sometimes.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #33
Reading your comment reminds me of same experience I had myself dear Edward Lewellen. I consulted for a firm that was almost sinking because they were noncompetitive. The firm offered their major product at a m=higher price than competitors. I reviewed their process and found a way to reduce the cost of the energy-consuming step by 50%. This helped the firm offer their product at lower cost. The firm survived and became profitable. The management sent me a thanking letter with a dismal fee. I returned the money refusing the insult. The management asked me to meet with them. They said "you worked for us for few days". We paid you what you are entitled to". I said, but just of the years I invested in my life to be able to solve your problem". Yes, people have distorted ways of evaluating services. I am not surprised to read your saddening comment.
Louise Smith
منذ 5 سنوات #32
Please tell us more !
Louise Smith
منذ 5 سنوات #31
There's a lot of Psychology research into reciprocal & gender based smiling ! I did my own experiments to see if the claims were true ........
Louise Smith
منذ 5 سنوات #30
Interesting extrapolation Edward Lewellen. And so true. To succeed it's best for a person to know & adhere to the social norms within the group they are working with (whether they agree with the Norms or not) It's best to "pin in" What about the placement of a Cravat Pin ? Isn't it different to a tie pin O Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee ? There was a craze for young male professionals to wear crazy cartoon character socks with their expensive suits One I knew deliberately wore a mismatched pair every day !
Louise Smith
منذ 5 سنوات #29
LOL LOL LOL
CityVP Manjit
منذ 5 سنوات #28
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #27
Great explanations dear Edward Lewellen. I think you need to publicize more your knowledge of how to treat OCD and PTSD. If you can cure them in hours, and I know well that you make no false claims, may be you need to highlight more on your knowledge and expertise on this important issue.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #26
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #25
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #24
Curiosity of what to be continued killed the cat!
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #23
For the sake of expanding on this important by Louise Smith I provide this info. "Posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) are anxiety disorders that commonly co-occur in people with a history of trauma. Research shows that the likelihood of a person diagnosed with PTSD developing OCD within a year is about 30 percent". https://www.verywellmind.com/trauma-ptsd-and-ocd-2797516
Louise Smith
منذ 5 سنوات #22
Leads to Anxiety> OCD > Depression > PTSD
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #21
I am deeply grateful to you Bill Stankiewicz, \ud83d\udc1d Brand Ambassador. Thank you
Bill Stankiewicz
منذ 5 سنوات #20
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #19
What a great and relevant quote Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. I dedicate my pin to you
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #18
We have our own styles Jerry Fletcher. For people like me who lack the innate skills of design such rules are very helpful.
Jerry Fletcher
منذ 5 سنوات #17
Dr. Ali, Thank you for the reference. I reviewed it. I must tell you that having been trained in design and involved with designers for over 50 years, that the golden mean is something they heard about in school but have probably never used as a design formula. Most "feel" their way to a better design. I have never allowed design to get in the way of being able to put the words that convince or persuade on the page.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #16
Thank you Jerry Fletcher for commenting and enriching the discussions with a new dimension. I don't claim, and have read hugey on this topic. One reference is: How to Use the Golden Ratio to Create Gorgeous Graphic Designs https://www.companyfolders.com/blog/golden-ratio-design-examples Trees and branches follow same rule. Our arteries are fractal because they obey the same rule. Even the predictions of the prices of the price movement in stock markets follow the principles of the golden ratio. The dentist use Fibonacci scissors, which have the o.38:0.62 ratio. I truly appreciate your comment and the historical background that is informative.
Jerry Fletcher
منذ 5 سنوات #15
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #14
`I am only follower of nature and its beauty. SO beautiful are dimensions that follow the law pf the Golden Ratio. Why then we gave this ratio its name of gold? Thank you John Rylance
John Rylance
منذ 5 سنوات #13
Louise Smith
منذ 5 سنوات #12
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #11
I appreciate your comment Pascal Derrien. I reported the case which spurred the idea of the buzz. I could have exchanged the tie with other items and still the same logic will hold. @Edward Lewellen gave few examples of which is his comment
Pascal Derrien
منذ 5 سنوات #10
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #9
Great and now I visualize you writing a buzz on this topic dear @Edward Lewellen. I know you and I am sure an idea is fermenting in your mind. I am not asking for confirmation because I believe this is the case.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #8
Great thoughts here dear Edward Lewellen. You remind me of the dots making a wave on a pendulum, which I reported in one of my previous buzzes. If you would view the following video as of minute , you may replace the dots (balls) with neurons. When the neurons synchronize their movement they produce a beautiful wave. Now, displacing one ball (neuron) or should it not follow. w the simple rules of movement a distorted wave shall result. Again, this shows how one small neuron in a network may disrupt the harmony of our lives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c5GX87zQTY This is my initial thought. Does it make sense to you?
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #7
Very good observation dear friend Edward Lewellen. Many small things ending up having a great impact. The butterfly effect of smiling and how to show a golden ratio proportion in our smiles might be impacting. I shall search for this possibility. I must say that when I noticed your comment I expected to read a comment relating the golden ratio to the nervous system and neuroscience. You surprised me joyfully.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #6
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #5
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #4
إYou know dear Randall Burns your comments ignites my mind to a topic that never crossed my mind, and in fact if anybody else. It is the application of the Golden Ratio in the kitchen. That shall be interesting to find out. I visualize you wearing w tie pin and you look great
Randall Burns
منذ 5 سنوات #3
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #2
Believe me Randall Burns that the question of where to place a pin tie never crossed my mind till I wished to challenge the suggestion of my fellow lecturerenbecause I welcomed the challenge. At least you know now where to place a pin tie should you wish to. The forum organizer distributed the tie pins and wearing them showed appreciation for their generosity.
Randall Burns
منذ 5 سنوات #1