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Challenging Today's Social Norms

Challenging Today's Social Norms

SMALL PARTS COMBINE TO FORM LARGER STRUCTURES

We look up at clouds everyday and they are just part of the landscape view.  If we can look at their processes and see their cycles we can see social networking and its strengths.  Cloud formation and the benefits it brings require a specific set of physical rules to produce rain.

Several posts have brought to light a social norm that is evolving within our dialogue of human existence.  Networking is based on the individual and their needs within the network.  The individual attaching to others who share a similar need/want, form groups or clusters that grow into larger networks.  Assuming (big word) that the larger group or network has some larger purpose beyond the individual and is now operating within that framework, we should see an outcome of their efforts. This clearly oversimplifies a complex process that usually takes a long time to develop.  Examples would be political parties, benevolent groups or hives.

innovation@Ali Anani posted Avoid Building Concrete Relationships A discussion concerning relationships and used the metaphor of concrete and its many forms of strength and degradation.  The post was describing the challenging atmosphere of social media and how we could build relationships that were lasting and described the pitfalls within network development.

The post drew some stimulating comments that identified a larger issue within the social fabric of the human dynamic.  The debate became intense as we discussed the need for concrete fundamentals within our relationships while retaining fluid activities.   Two sides formed whereby one stated that only fluid relationships are lasting and the other, concrete creates the basis of the fluid relationships to happen.

This discussion exposed a deep issue within our new very social world.  Our fundamental values get exposed in media.  Social media offers us an opportunity to detect and cycle with people and select to follow them.  What are those triggers that give us the sense of wanting to follow another?


Is it the fact that we are just being fluid and click the follow button because it existed?


Did we see within the posts or comments some shared platform of fundamental values?


These questions seem simple and maybe even childish at first glance, but i would submit they are the tip of the iceberg of current events.


A fluid emotional state lacking personal fundamental values will be given values by someone.


Fundamental values are understood/experienced by everyone.  In reading a post, engaged in conversation or watching a TV show, we all recognize that sensation when something is disturbing, challenging or even invokes our rant at the TV.  If something raises your emotional status then most likely it has challenged your value system.  A value system/belief system is a system whereby regardless of circumstances they apply.  Execution is not always perfection.  But humility allows us to return to our value sets every time.

Fundamental value sets are concrete.  These are the expectations of yourself and your guide in developing a network that helps you and others grow in fluid ways of executing within the framework of these values.

What are your fundamental value sets?

28a84872.gifIn today's climate this question usually raises a discussion about issues in the media.  Folks describe their position within a framework of emotions of right and wrong.  Interestingly a simple search on mission statements, core values or belief systems would yield words like honesty, trust, do unto others...and my favorite authentic (sarcasm) and other character traits that we all find meaningful within a core value statement discussion.

These character traits/core values/fundamental value sets are only important within a relationship, not issues.  Issues are created by civilizations, blown up by media and capitalized on by Politicians/Wall Street/Main Street.  Through this process we have allowed our value sets to become what the media says it is through issues.

This would seem a splitting hair discussion.  Our current political climate and polarization of issues would indicate that it's a very large hair.  Social media is full of folks who have taken on the media centered values of floating character traits because the ends justify the means.  I do not trivialize the issues they do exist and we need to be diligent in our efforts. However losing our core values towards each other will only serve to distract from the very issue we are trying to serve.

We need concrete values that we as a civilization can honor and hold each other accountable.  Within this framework we can be as fluid as we want physically and emotionally.

What three core value words would use regardless of the issue?

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Comments

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #31

#38
I agree the crossroads at which we stand will be lead buy our accelerated communications techniques on many platforms. The will of the people will be served. In this they must take media by the hand and stage the journey. Social media platforms or government would be wise not to try and throttle the people as this would be a mess. The journey ahead will be lead by ordinary folks not great writers or politicians. Thanks for your comments and thoughts. I can see you leading within this sea of change as i have enjoyed many of your comments.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #30

#37
As you wrote Harvey Lloyd "Our thoughts should help us transcend the static into dynamic action. We can discuss concepts until we fully understand, but if it doesn't lead to change in action then it is static"- well and I shall take action

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #29

#36
By all means please carry the thoughts along as you examine your thoughts. I am always curious of the disconnect of our own thoughts. The three states don't work if your thoughts are not surrounding dynamic usable outcomes. But i read posts/concepts that focus on static concepts while we live in a dynamic world. Our thoughts should help us transcend the static into dynamic action. We can discuss concepts until we fully understand, but if it doesn't lead to change in action then it is static. If the above statement is true then our thoughts should always be considered within the end game. Understanding today will emerge as action tomorrow. This changes our thoughts from "positions" where defense and offense happen, to action thoughts where we realize our thoughts will be attached to a future action. Dynamic thoughts. Each step of cloud formation and ultimately rain, is actionable with a result. I see in many posts where we forward a emotional position. These posts remind us of dynamic journeys that have become static positions we cant understand/tolerate or need dynamic thoughts to move forward. Continuing to forward an emotional thought though, does not change the static position.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #28

#35
Now you provoke my mind intensely dear Harvey Lloyd. I enjoyed your comment and it deserves a buzz on its own. If you don't write a buzz related to your comment then I shall. Yes, the comfort zone is a transient zone to clean our mind cache and move on. You "moved" me beyond limits with your super-quality comment.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #27

#34
I have often felt that we are in a state of three conditions when we are seeking understanding or work through issues. I am right until i am wrong, I am wrong until i am right, I am not moving forward. These conditions display state of mind and not judgement. Specifically as it applies to making choices/decisions. I can move from state to state based on new information. But realizing these conditions exist allows me to operate without blindness or stagnation. The third state is the challenge as time works against us in a world that moves very quickly. Sometimes we need to work forward even though we may feel wrong, just to start the journey towards right. Our comfort zone is always an eroding oasis. A brain relaxing zone if you will. These are the times when we see most clear and relax. Cherish them as the next leg of the journey will come soon enough Ali Anani

Ali Anani

7 years ago #26

Asking is a sign of maturity. It shows our lack of knowledge and areas where we wish to learn more. I agree with you Harvey Lloyd and how many times we found that what we believed was a correct answer later proved to be wrong. It is asking questions that keeps us in tension state to desire to know more; answers tend to place us in our comfort zone. We call it comfort zone and in reality it could the ignorance zone and even sometimes the stupidity zone.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #25

#15
"Judge of a man by his questions rather than by his answers." by Voltaire So a related qoute and found this one. Thought it would add to the thought. Ali Anani

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #24

#29
One of the things i have recognized in social media (I am a newbee), is we discuss relationships and networks but we see individual comments or posts as a representation of a whole. I try and read comments and posts based on the network and the relationship. I know many relationships and comments contain the depth of previous ideas and thoughts expressed across BeBee. So when Ali Anani comments or replies to one i know he has probably done so with that individual many times before. Most likely on related and unrelated topics. Given this, i have seen a consistency in his responses that shine a clear light on his core values. I have seen him also debate heavily with other Bee's and even then his core values were not abandoned. This consistency is what we gravitate towards.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #23

#28
Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange thanks for your comment and thoughts. The topics discussed are divisive depending on your perspective. Early in my leadership career in small business i had to learn quickly that customers, employees and vendors all had a single thought in mind. Their success. Theirs and mine were not always congruent to accomplishing the goal(s). I watched success over the years (and failures), and found that most of the success happens where a shared set of core values existed. The last picture in the post displays some of these. I lead with these core values to retain a consistency in my leadership. When we can face adversity from a solid foundation of core values of respect, active listening and professional responses then we can be consistent in our outcomes. BeBee is creative and i have learned a lot from reading yours and others posts. My learning accelerates when differing opinions arise within the comments. I like old fashion debates. I know debating is not fashionable these days. Within these debates folks defend their positions and reach deeply into their wealth of knowledge and write words that support their ideals. I learn from them. This also seems harsh in today's world. Thanks again for your comments.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #22

#28
Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange (WOw! your name is highlighting)- do you understand these are parts of your values "who add to ideas, rather than pull them down, who converge ideas allowing new patterns to form and something new to bubble up and emerge"? For me, they are. Very-well said

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #21

#26
Absolutely. Great viewpoint and quote. Thanks for taking the time to discuss the topic. I appreciate your insights and contributions.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #20

#24
Not to labor the point but i do agree that the outcomes of negative views and the journey can lead to distorted thinking. My post is trying to deal with this point, not necessarily place someone in a fixed position. Core values offer us a tool to create a different perspective during the times when we are maybe myopic or focused on a negative aspect. I agree with @Phil Friedman distorted thinking is developed through a process of behaviours and interactions. I find myself there sometimes. With core values i can find my way out or maybe avoid the place all together.. So in a simpler form the core values offer us a way of avoiding the processes you speak. Doesn't mean we necessarily take advantage of this process as often as we should. Core values like honesty, humility, forgiveness, seek to understand and many others can assist in avoiding the distorted view Phil points out.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #19

#17
Thank you Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich and certainly look forward to reading whatever you contribute because I know it shall be of value.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #18

#21
I agree with the concepts you discuss and would add that the perception is the aspect of the post i was addressing. Perceptions do change based on moods, current events and even to the degree of who might be presenting. Given these variables how can we ever shape ourselves into a society that is sustainable? A solution is core values. Yes i have perceptions and they are influenced. But if i have a clear set of core values then i can filter my perceptions through them. I liked what said on a related post "While being fluid or flexible in approach, we all need luminous lampposts for traversing in a truer manner. If not, we get drifted without any directions or reaching any destination." I took his "Luminous Lampposts" to indicate a core value set. We should constantly seek different views, but we should also remain true to our values. I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #17

#15
In most cases looking for the right question is more important than the answer. Your questions inspire deep thought.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #16

#16
The little i just read sounds interesting. It would resemble a more focused effort instead of a shotgun approach. Thanks for your comments.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #15

#17
Maybe we need to start the brain squad and you can be our synaptic leader. Thanks for the comment and await your comments and posts. Please tag me for the post.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #14

#14
Your depth is beyond description Harvey Lloyd. Yes, reading your response makes me feel I am in the flow.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #13

#13
Ali Anani you are in the flow. Thank you for your understanding beyond the comment. This is a very heavy concept of our future. Your questions are the ones i ponder on a consistent basis. "..how are these related to the flow on a well organized structure? Can we consider disruption as a flow? How does it relate to the original flow?" Core values give us a way to answer the questions for the future we face. Disruption, unicorns, technology are all great unless they did not benefit you or maybe even hurt others. A sample might be: Labor rates have experienced unforeseen consequences from companies that have move toward automation, balancing costs, while consumers have experienced cheaper prices. That same consumer now doesn't have a job. This is the free flow of ideals that operate independently instead of within the core values of interdependence. Our original flow was survival. WIthin survival the environment is dictating core values. Having traded in our agrarian society for time in exchange for money we have created the new environment. One where we are rewarded based on different values than survival, maybe intellect. This has run its course.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #12

#12
"We are evolving. The crossroads we find ourselves will set the course for the next 100 years". Even your comment is addressed to Sara Jacobovici. You made me ask myself when we change abruptly or come up with new and life-changing technologies- how are these related to the flow on a well organized structure? Can we consider disruption as a flow? How does it relate to the original flow?

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #11

#4
Sara Jacobovici i do keep myself inside the comment box for the most part. This is due to some of the hard lines this post describes. I don't believe we need a sociology agree to see that the undercurrents of our society are tearing at the fabric of our existence. We are evolving. The crossroads we find ourselves will set the course for the next 100 years. This is not a prophecy but an observation. We have evolved forward, if you will, very quickly based on some social sciences of the 40/50's. This experiment has run its course now and is not sufficient to lead us into the next century, we need new knowledge and leadership. Fundamentals dictate that we the people need a set of core values that will help us delineate false arguments from the debate. Our US Constitution did this for us a couple of hundred years ago. As always i value your inputs as they add layers i can not see, from my perspective.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #10

#9
Love the ant analogy. We are interdependent upon our community to survive. @Ali Anani this post was a spawn of your original post. I thank you for your inspiration.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #9

#4
Thank you dear Sara Jacobovici below. I do appreciate learning from you. Yes, the balance you refer to in your comment #3 is worthy of few buzzes on its own. I mean "This is a big challenge because no matter what ne has to keep core values because they show what you highlighted "that we as a civilization can honor and hold each other accountable. Within this framework we can be as fluid as we want physically and emotionally".

Ali Anani

7 years ago #8

Part 2 I had to take a pause while reading this part of your lovely post " Assuming (big word) that the larger group or network has some larger purpose beyond the individual and is now operating within that framework; we should see an outcome of their efforts". When it comes to survival we find ants do it. In a stormy sea ants hing to each other to form a raft. No ant would leave the raft for it knows it then shall die. They stick together till they reach safely on land. This is a great buzz and it needs a buzz on its own to respond to. I feel a network of clouds clouding my head with so many ideas. Enough for now, only to add I shared this buzz because it fits one of my core values which is honesty. Honesty that dictates on me to say I am overwhelmed by getting a mention in it.

Ali Anani

7 years ago #7

Dear Harvey Lloyd word). The challenge as Sara described it brilliantly "Each one of us needs that foundation from which we grow our individual identity, one that is fluid enough to sustain itself within the found identity of a group". This is a big challenge because no matter what ne has to keep core values because they show what you highlighted "that we as a civilization can honor and hold each other accountable. Within this framework we can be as fluid as we want physically and emotionally". Again, as you wrote Harvey "Our fundamental values get exposed in media". This exposure might be tempting to lose our balance and obtain" imported" core values only to satisfy the social needs.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #6

#6
I do appreciate your perspective but here again you subvert the message to one of control. Life is fluid and requires balance in gaining self control of our intentions. Core values are such a device. You have espoused several of these core values yourself in your posts, memes and other buzzes. If i were living on an island i could create my own values and change them at will. But i don't, i live in a community where people have expectations of me and others as a citizen that are interdependent. You may choose to live a life of dependence and co-dependence but this doesn't work inside of society. No one is discrediting anyone. You offer no real counter to the idea of how can a society grow and sustain itself through self regulation. You only offer different viewpoints of a form of self belief systems that you have found to work for you. I respect that and can see your points as an individual. So out of three forms of core value development you chose psychology to determine healthy and unhealthy perceptions. Regardless of your choice you are measuring something as healthy and unhealthy. You answer my questions within your subterfuge. We can not deem anything healthy or unhealthy without first establishing criteria. Is your criteria flexible? Your comment would state no. Your introduction of authority, control and diminishing others through your subterfuge is very visible. This discredits your ability to add to the common knowledge with your wisdom. Thanks you for your feedback.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #5

#3
Thanks for your insights and comments. I believe losing ourselves in groups is at the root of the post. Our identity is created by our expressing from our core values in a fluid environment.

Sara Jacobovici

7 years ago #4

Harvey Lloyd's buzz, Avoid Building Concrete Relationships. Thanks Harvey for not restricting yourself to the comment box.

Sara Jacobovici

7 years ago #3

Well written, timely and courageous (these aren't my three core value words) Harvey Lloyd. I couldn't help but read the word "identity" between the lines. I think this is at the core. And because we are unique individuals who need to belong to a group, that identity can be very difficult to handle. Each one of us needs that foundation from which we grow our individual identity, one that is fluid enough to sustain itself within the found identity of a group. Sometimes that challenge is so strong that we develop a community of one while the other extreme is that we blend into the identity of the community. It's the somewhere in between that is the "social norm". Social media, although technologically supported, is just another community made up of smaller groups and archetypes. Humans are still the members of social media, and as such, it's the human dynamics that will keep things interesting. I appreciate your insights and questions. Much to think about. Thanks Harvey.

Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #2

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Harvey Lloyd

7 years ago #1

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