A place under the sun
Evolution is not promoted by the warm fuzzies of dripping oxytocin. Evolution is spurred by crisis, challenge and perturbation. Single-minded aggression has been the hallmark of many individuals in history who, while poorly tolerated by the sensitive masses, contributed great value to progress and development.
Those of us that progressed to tertiary education experienced the rigors and challenges of critique which spurred us on to learn, reason and become more aware of ourselves and the extended environment . In the surgical residency program this dynamic reached extreme proportions. Even brutal. In the junior residency phase we were subjected to prescriptive instruction with harsh undermining words if we messed up. On occasion we were also belittled by the Prof on the grand ward rounds where there were usually up to twelve people at a time. I remember the Prof asking me a question about a specific condition on a packed ward round. I responded “I feel that the problem …..” The Prof cut me short “Where do you feel it, in your trousers? You either know the answer or you admit that you don’t. I don’t want to know how you feel!”
And so I learnt. I aspired to the facts and to excellence in my vocation. Many challenges were to occur and not infrequently my self-esteem suffered. But I picked myself up and forged ahead. I was the better for the brutal challenges. It caused me to try that little bit harder. To be the best that I could be. Because at the end of the line there was a patient that depended on all that I was. I was indeed fortunate that within the residency program I had a mentor, a person to whom I have previously dedicated an article. But even my mentor was quick to take the gloves off if I slackened or messed up.
Despite the challenges there was still an atmosphere of mutual respect in the program. But you earned your respect. If you did not learn, better yourself and become a dependable member of the team you would inevitably be scorned until you threw in the towel and removed yourself. If you lacked the required self-respect to resign then the Prof would remove you from the program. Those that prevailed became a ‘band of brothers’ (there were no sisters!). We support each other and maintain mutual respect long after becoming independent consultants.
It is the nature of beBee to provide a platform for free interaction between many different people, from all walks of life. But there are challenges in that the subject matter is not all merely social interaction. There are professionals who emanate from academic environments similar to my own. We have been trained to be curious, questioning and critical of everyone and everything, since we are in pursuit of facts and authenticity. In addition, many have previously or continue to, manage companies. These individuals are in a very different space from those lay individuals who express general interest. Potential conflict may arise when the lay individual engages an authority in a specific field, with an article which is based on unauthenticated or non validated data. Even if the data is not validated, there is an expectation that a logical argument is presented. This is the manner in which we were educated and trained and it has borne much fruit in the progress of health, engineering and all manner of technologies. Underlying this interaction is the drive to contribute value to the subject at hand and to the engaging individuals. And indeed things can become robust and even aggressive in the pursuit of a mutually acceptable resolution at the expense of sensitivity. And here respect is earned.
Obviously this dynamic would not apply in the context of pure social intercourse and in exchanges of general interest. Here the emphasis is on non-judgemental respect, sensitivity and empathy. It is when the two worlds are melded in one that problems arise. The aggressive pursuit of factual authenticity may tread on the toes of personal sensitivity to the point that the ‘aggressor’ is perceived as inflicting a personal attack on the receiver.
I am not here to defend Phil Friedman or his ilk. He is more than capable of defending himself and could probably articulate it far better than I can. But since he has adopted a stance of ‘masterly inactivity’ in regard to the recent storm and outpouring of accusatory admonishment, I thought I’d fill the space.
Phil and I have tangled ‘robustly’ in previous exchanges. In fact at one point we agreed not to interact with each other again (we would be but ‘passing dirigibles in the night’ on beBee) It followed after I had previously stated publically that Phil did not manifest adequate sensitivity and respect for the less resilient. And then I crossed the line by prescribing how we ought to interact. Phil responded by asking me what right I had to prescribe to him how he ought to behave and what he ought to communicate. And he was correct. No one has the right to prescribe to another, what and how they communicate. And if we publish a scientific, medical, philosophical or financial piece and invite comment, we must be prepared to defend it rigorously or acknowledge that it is inadequate. This is not a personal attack but a call to up our game. The take-home message is, don’t enter the fray unless you’re prepared to get burnt. Rather stay with warm fuzzies and an abundance of oxytocin bonding and togetherness!
Phil has a strong academic background in philosophy, but additionally has been forged in the fire of finance and big business. This will all manifest in the engagement and may well indeed crowd out apparent respect and sensitivity. But as Phil had indicated to me previously after we had a pretty heated exchange, if you can’t take the heat then don’t engage with him in his comment section (in fact that is the topic of one of his articles). Similarly he has made it clear and in fact demonstrated that if his engagement in comments on someone else’s article becomes undesirable, he will gladly discontinue the engagement. But if you can take the heat and stay the distance, then Phil's engagement with you ultimately becomes a value contribution - for I have indeed upped my game on several occasions in consequence. Finally in defense of Phil I feel that the beBee community should be aware that this individual that you have labeled with all manner of derogatory adjectives, has shown poignant empathy and compassion to some members of this and other SM platforms, which I personally bear witness to.
None of us is perfect. We’ve all messed up and will continue to mess up, hopefully less so as we reflect upon more of life’s challenges. There are some among the recent detractors on Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee triad of articles who have written disparaging comments directed at me on one or two of my own past articles – untrue and/or inappropriate. But that’s the nature of things and I accept this without the need to rally the troops and 'stone the heretic'!
I do not wish to see censorship and ‘filtering’ on beBee. I believe that if we transcend our respective subjectivities through awareness of the bigger picture, we can establish a mutually agreeable mode of interaction. It’s not ‘us’ and ‘you’ but a supportive collective (connective, as Phil corrected me) in which there is a place for everyone under the sun.
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Cyndi wilkins
6 years ago #28
#33 I think we can all agree with what has been stated here...Gratitude for all the colors of world around us...the movers, the shakers, the innovators...We are all doing our part in our chosen spheres of excellence...My sphere happens to require of me to dwell in the 'warm fuzzies' to be a calming presence for my clients...I would imagine the ER to be the polar opposite... Thank you for thoughts and kind words Mr Freedman...and I hope those hard-bitten intellectuals landed softly;-)
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #27
Cyndi, it sounds to me, an admitted layman in these matters, that your work takes a lot out of you. Which makes it ever the more commendable that you continue to practice and to bring comfort to those in need. I've had close contact over the years with several friends and relatives who were terminally ill, including three who were slowly disappearing down the rabbit hole of Alzheimer's; my father-in-law who, at an age nearly two decades younger than I am now, was battling a returned and metastasized melanoma; my mother who for more than ten years fought lung cancer while the drugs involved in retarding the march of her disease also slowly ate away at the rest of her body; and most recently a niece of mine who was, after a valiant 3-year effort to survive succumbed at the age of 19 to a form of lymphoma that, by the statistics, should have been eminently "curable" -- but which, after two remissions, wasn't. So if nothing else, I do understand some of what you are talking about. But if I understand Ian correctly, he is talking about, if we can put it this way, the sphere of cure and prophylaxis versus what you describe, which is to my mind the sphere of palliative care. A good layman's description is found, I think, at -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palliative_care continued... Pt. II below
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #26
-- @Cyndi Wilkins - Pt II -- It's not surprising that a patient facing a terminal illness might not be concerned with "innovation" or the evolution of ideas. But I personally am thankful that some people are -- if not for my sake, for that of my children and (yet to be) grandchildren and those of others. For I truly hope that the "innovators" and the hard-drivers do indeed find in the near future cures and preventatives for many of the diseases and fatal physical conditions that now afflict us. And I see no conflict between these two spheres of activity -- unless persons who fall within of or the other of these groups endeavors to assert that theirs is the *only* existentially valid realm of activity. Oh, by the way, I've also known several hard-bitten intellectuals who, as they approached their twilight hours, took joy in exercising their rational minds and who would have throttled anyone who might have cut them some slack in a discussion or exchange because they were advancing toward the end of their lives. So while I have no doubt that, under certain circumstances, some facing terminal illness might not (in your terms) give a "rats ass" about innovation or Reality, I am just as certain there are some who do. And I, for one, don't see any need to judge one against the other. Nor, if I understand him, does Ian. Cheers and I wish you peace.
Cyndi wilkins
6 years ago #25
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #24
#24 Part of my concern, Ian and Siraj, is that I notice so many who are active on social media admit to suffering problems of isolation and inability to operate in the outside world. This is not in any way to denigrate those with clinical depression, generalized anxiety, agoraphobia or other isolating mental issues (for God knows we all suffer some measure of such problems). But the hard fact is, these are the people who are most interested in creating and maintaining a closed online system, with its own ethos and social rules and culture. They are the people who show the greatest tendency to want to cluster in inbreeding. self-reinforcing, groups and who are the most hostile toward even the mildest of questioning that may challenge their internally-created Weltanschauung. When, in fact, the great promise of the Internet is its ability to put us in touch with all manner of ideas, opinions of , and intellectual engagement with others around the world. And we should welcome the opportunity to "let all the new light shine in". IMO. Cheers!
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #23
Part of my concern, Ian and Siraj, is that I notice so many who are active on social media admit to suffering problems of isolation and inability to operate in the outside world. This is not in any way to denigrate those with clinical depression, generalized anxiety, agoraphobia or other isolating mental issues (for God knows we all suffer some measure of such problems). But the hard fact is, these are the people who are most interested in creating and maintaining a closed online system, with its own ethos and social rules and culture. They are the people who show the greatest tendency to want to cluster in inbreeding. self-reinforcing, clusters and who are the most hostile toward even the mildest questioning that may challenge their internally-created Weltanschauung. When, in fact, the great promise of the Internet is its ability to put us in touch with all manner of ideas, opinions, and intellectual exchanges of and with others around the world. And we should welcome the opportunity to "let all the new light shine in". IMO. Cheers!
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #22
Thank you, Siraj, for the kind words. I agree with you about problems on LinkedIn, but I do need to point out that sometimes the problems are just bugs in the system, not intentional misdirection or manipulation. Cheers!
Ian Weinberg
6 years ago #21
Thanks Phil. That's a pivotal consideration. Unless of course, for whatever reason, an individual has the need to lose themself in a virtual reality!
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #20
excellent points, Ian Weinberg. One of the most disturbing aspects of social media is, IMO, the fact that so many forget that, although ontologicall it is part of the real world, the internal operating environment it presents as a system, is a fantasy, created and manipulated by its owners, managers, and users -- right down to the personas adopted by those who operate within its sphere. It's very much like WestWorld. And the danger is that, without critical dissent to interrupt the self-affirming, inbred thinking that is constantly being fomented (in part by some who never anymore enter the "real" world), it will become eventually completely split off from Reality. Cheers!
Ian Weinberg
6 years ago #19
Cyndi wilkins
6 years ago #18
Lisa Vanderburg
6 years ago #17
Ian Weinberg
6 years ago #16
Thanks Praveen Raj Gullepalli for the wise and inspiring input.
Ian Weinberg
6 years ago #15
Indeed - with a degree of deference.
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #14
To my mind, Ian Weinberg, the first red flag is the lionization of "like-mindednesss" -- for those with like-minds form a closed system that cannot evolve. In contrast, I believe it possible to find a commonality of interests, without being "like-minded". And we can propagate, discuss, critique, and strive to evolve new ideas from old. But in a way that "does not mistake obscurity for depth, or shallowness for clarity..." (The Wisdom of Chung King, circa 650 AD) However, to work to banish obscurity and shallowness requires that those who engage in intellectual exchange be willing to explain and (yes, if need be) defend their ideas and opinions -- and not cry "foul" every time someone interested asks them for a further elucidation or clarification of what they are propounding, or even if someone actually challenges what they are saying with reasoned argument and/or citation of fact. I note your reference to being a veteran of an advanced academic environment. How many do you think remember, or even knew in the first place, that a doctorate (PhD) is generally awarded only after the doctoral thesis has been "published" and defended? Not many, it seems, on social media or they would understand that sporting a PhD in your title signals a willingness to and experience in "taking on all comers." Or at least should. Now me, I have only ABD status, and as a result, would you not agree, should be treated with some degree of gentleness? http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~hgs/etc/defense-hints.html
Ian Weinberg
6 years ago #13
Conversely we are experiencing a wave of 'political correctness' wherein authenticity becomes submerged in a sea of dripping syrupy emotion, serving the needs and agenda's of the disgruntled and the wronged. IMHO this will only serve to retard intrinsic evolutionary momentum. I agree that there is no place to demean people for the sake of demeaning and deriving gratification therefrom. And as I have countlessly stated, sensitivity and respect go a long way in support of collaboration and evolution. That said however, the spark of innovation and the initiative of authentic leadership for change requires a focused drive. And it is unfortunate that often, this focus has elements of aggression which do tread over the toes of sensitivity and are perceived to be purely self-interest driven. So while it is gratifying and constructive to share ideas and collaborate in a warm fuzzy space, it takes driven focus to integrate, separate the wheat from the chaff and implement. Thanks again for your wise and valid contribution Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich
Paul Walters
6 years ago #12
Cyndi wilkins
6 years ago #11
#9 #10 Well, let's face it...we all know you attract more flies (or bees) with honey (or oxytocin), but being disagreed with is not at issue in the case of abusive assaults on one's character...I certainly welcome correction if I have misunderstood or misrepresented an individual...and to that end, a conflicting point of view when done in a respectful manner...You can disagree with someone without calling them an imbecile or trying to one up them with language that can only be understood by neuroscientists...That's not a crack at you Ian Weinberg...just an example;-) And I'm not saying 'dumb it down' for the masses either...but geezo people...take a knee on occasion...constant conflict is bad for your blood pressure!...Sometimes it just doesn't matter when you step back for a moment and take in the big picture...I get the whole idea of the "pursuit of facts and authenticity", but sometimes those very same facts become fiction when we dig a little deeper...Especially in the scientific world...A very good friend of mine is a doctor/scientist and she once said to me..."Cyndi, we only know what we know when we know it...Tomorrow, that could all change." True dat! Peace out;-)
Jerry Fletcher
6 years ago #10
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #9
You are correct, Cyndi, that I may have a number of detractors out there. And it actually saddens me that the situation is such on beBee that Ian should have been moved to actually write this piece. But for the record, not one of my detractors or defenders of Persons with whom I've crossed keyboards can quite a single remark verbatim in which I've attacked another person personally. Because there are no such remarks and I never have (except maybe once or twice in direct response to such an attack upon me). I deal in ideas and opinions, and when I raise questions or disagree, it is about those. And I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to show the screen shots. It amazes me how many times the honey sweetness on beBee masks an underlying willingness to employ vicious innuendo and maliciously false accusations. Cheers!
Harvey Lloyd
6 years ago #8
Pascal Derrien
6 years ago #7
Ian Weinberg
6 years ago #6
Thanks for that contribution Cyndi. Personally, I don't believe that there's an obligation upon anyone to defend the honor of any other individual if their view is not shared. However if someone, anyone, is unjustifiably victimized or bullied, I'm the first to come to their defense irrespective of the consequences.
Cyndi wilkins
6 years ago #5
Phil Friedman
6 years ago #4
Ali Anani
6 years ago #3
Cyndi wilkins
6 years ago #2
Pascal Derrien
6 years ago #1