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Is Commending the Commenter a Matter of a Pinion?

Is Commending the Commenter a Matter of a Pinion?

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After delivering thousands of comments on others' posts here on beBee.com, and responding to 99.99% of the comments by others on my own posts, over the last three years, I believe I’m somewhat qualified to comment on our comments by way of this limping (rather than running) commentary. 

When I published my first long post on beBee (back in April 2016) it was new and exciting, and comments were flying back and forth, up and down, like a fiddler's elbow.  We were all telling stories and there was a mood of anticipation.  Some of the comment strings were long enough to be more engrossing than conversations we were actually having off line, with real face-to-face people.  Some were philosophical, some argumentative (but without too many 'troll de rolls'), some jocular (often verging towards the infamous 'dad joke tennis'), some poetic (at least rhyming, occasionally verging on the doggerel, if seldom artistically constructed), some (but not very many) were respectful in an almost boringly polite way, and then there were the downright 'pull your leg', 'tall poppy demolishing', retorts, being mockingly, tauntingly, often 'one roo short in the top paddock' of being downright offensive, yet saved from the ultimate punch-up by being inevitably hilarious.  

This latter line of comically abusive verbal attack was, as I remember it, best practised by the 'Boys from the Gap', a term I coined for a few of us located in the centre of the universe, defined by a smattering of countries all far enough away from, yet between, Europe and North America (sorry but I've casually included Canada in 'North America' and fully expect to be verbally hung, drawn and quartered for it).  When I say 'between' these large European/American blots on the atlas, I mean, of course, when journeying the long way round the globe (otherwise we 'Boys from the Gap' would've been swimming in the Atlantic Ocean). Sadly many from the Australasian Antipodes, the east coast of China, the African continent and the Indian subcontinent are no longer providing a pinion to prop our discussions and keep them 'real', but, thankfully, there are still a few diehards dabbling in the wings and occasionally in the spotlight.

Although, back in those days, many of us were refugees from the corroding 'Link Tin', there was a community spirit of being united by a common theme, a new platform where there was a refreshingly common attitude and even expectation of always responding to comments made on our posts.  This was something sadly missing from other platforms like the 'Link Tin' rust bucket, where many post authors (or their ghost writers in the case of the 'rich and infamous') ignored the  contributions from their commenters. And then, of course, we had regular verbal 'visits' and contributions from our platform upper echelon, a truly unique feature, combined with an IT department that was, back then, keen to respond in a timely manner to suggestions from the buzzing masses on how to improve the user's experience.

Here's a short ditty I composed back in the days when beBee was new and star dust was in our eyes (and before I sacked my barber).

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What's this beBee all about, should I stay and work it out?

Why do strangers follow me, should I follow them and see?

Share a photo, post a link, tell them what I really think?

Write a buzz, long or scant, will they find it relevant?

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Can this social network be, true affinity for me?

Will it give me what I'm missing, or just leave me reminiscing?

Will my creativity, lead to hive activity?

Will my posts be liked and read, shared around, so they spread?

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Wait a moment, what's this bell, on the top line, pray do tell?

Numbers pop up, now I see, I have feedback, just for me.

Comments come, smooth as honey, some of them are really funny.

Happy bees all start to buzz, when I tell them how it was.

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Now things start to come alive, when I dive into a hive.

Shares commence, quite a lot, when I stir the honey pot.

Comments flow, smooth as honey, some of them are really funny.

Every bee's a honey eater, like it, love it, nothing sweeter.

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Bye Bye Facebook, see ya Twitter, leaving LinkedIn's sweet not bitter.

Come on over, one and all, join me on my beBee wall.

Happy chat's the way to go, no 'trolls' here, they spoil the show.

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Now it's time to stop this rhyme, cause it's beBee blogging time!

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SO WHAT HAPPENED?

Well the marketers marched in, followed by the 'snake oil' purveyors, and then the listicle constructors proffered us rainbow's end advice on how to improve business, with promises of soberingly serious success. Now, with the possible exception of the 'snake oil' charmers, these are not necessarily bad things in themselves, but, with the in-rush came a plethora of corrosive selfishness, with little thought for bonding ..... a one way street of authors demanding readers, yet seldom, if ever, commenting on the posts of others, or responding to comments appended by their readers to their own posts.  There is now an epidemic in our midst, staggeringly reminiscent of the limp 'Link Tin' tedium. 

Yet the cure is obvious and as simple as a sugar coated pill, and without any bitter aftertaste.

  • When your readers choose to comment on your posts, make a point of ALWAYS returning the complement (yes for each and every comment), acknowledging their contribution by a well chosen few words of thanks (you may even propagate a commentary of conversation if you're lucky); 
  • Don't just post your profferings like sterile and characterless milk bottles ('past your eyes' milk comes to mind), as though we are the great unwashed. Open a window on your heart and soul and let us see your character and foibles, warts and all; 
  • Read the posts of others, not just the stalwarts and old timers amongst us, who have already developed an interactive following of sorts, but the 'newBees' and the occasional visitors to this platform, who are still dipping their toes testily in the beBee honeypot; and, most important of all
  • Comment positively on the posts of others, since this is your investment of a future audience for your own work and every successful platform is a two way street. 

For every 'take' there must be 'give', and without this balance of writing and reading, talking and listening, offering and accepting, by both parties in the 'conversational contract', we'll all lose our necessary equilibrium and this platform, still so full of promise, will ultimately fall over.

Out future, as potentially the 'Platform at the End of the Universe', surviving while other worlds make way for interstellar bypasses to nowhere, is firmly in our hands, all of our hands.

GO FORTH WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS AND MULTIPLY!

(Yes, commending the commenter is a matter of a pinion)

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031c8879.jpgWhen not researching the weird or the wonderful, the comical or the cultured, the sinful or the serious, I chase my creative side, the results of which can be seen as selected photographs of my travels on my website at:

http://ken-boddie.squarespace.com

The author of the above, Ken Boddie, besides being a sometime poet and occasional writer, is an enthusiastic photographer, rarely leisure-travelling without his Canon, and loves to interact with other like-minded people with diverse interests.

Ken's three day work week (part time commitment) as a consulting engineer allows him to follow his photography interests, and to plan trips to an ever increasing list of countries and places of scenic beauty and cultural diversity.


Comments

Ken Boddie

3 years ago #64

#78
That poem, Fay, originally formed the core of the second ‘long post’ that I published on beBee over 4 years ago. This was a time when so many were jumping aboard and the interactions were literally buzzing. The fact that a relatively simple poem should raise 3000 views, 41 relevants and 59 comments is testament to the excitement we were all feeling about this newborn entity at the time. Glad you enjoyed it.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #63

Ken Boddie I am sharing again this lovely perspective on "Commending the commenter" I so enjoyed the poem you share here ;~)

Bill Stankiewicz

4 years ago #62

Thx again 

Bill Stankiewicz

4 years ago #61

Thx again 

Bill Stankiewicz

4 years ago #60

Thank You again for sharing, I am a little bee 🐝 In Savannah Georgia USA

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #59

#73
👍

Lada 🏡 Prkic

4 years ago #58

#72
Ken, thanks for mentioning me as one of your favourite bees. The feelings are mutual. 🤗

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #57

As you are a self proclaimed ‘newBee’, Fay, here are a few (but not all) of my favourite and most prolific bees you may wish to consider following: Ian Weinberg.

Fay Vietmeier

4 years ago #56

Ken Boddie Ken~ I think I forgot to commend the commenter ... GREAT glimpse of your personality ... a picture really does say "a thousand words" I agree with thee: "the tide of self obsession pervading this platform" ... this is the same tide of "self-obsession" pervading the planet earth/As I have written: this is a spiritual affliction & thus the cure is spiritual "beBee has a uniqueness that other platforms cannot offer, but only for those who engage in commentary" Those who engage is KEY ... from my reading it seems there are not enough "engaged" bees BUT Being an “engaged” bee ... is its own reward ;~)

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #55

#69
Thank you, Fay, for reviving this post, which, sadly, appears to have done little to stem the tide of self obsession pervading this platform. I believe you have mislabelled me as “very wise” when, in reality, I have merely applied years of hard yacka and have consequently been rewarded with flashes of fun-filled interaction, but tempered with a modicum of disappointment and frustration. I still firmly believe, however, that beBee has a uniqueness that other platforms cannot offer, but only for those who engage in commentary, much along the guidelines that I’ve attempted to outline in this buzz.

Fay Vietmeier

4 years ago #54

Ken Boddie Ken~ you are among the “the best of bees” Somehow I happened upon your “mind-stirring” buzz Oh man with brown-eyes … you are very wise ;~) I will visit your writings & photography in the days ahead & I hope to find more poetry ... really enjoyed the poem in this buzz I LOVE poetry … will share one of my poems and posts: “Words” what do your words say about you? https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/what-do-your-words-say-about-you I am fairly new to beBee and so perhaps there is a touch of that “star dust” in my eyes ;~) Recently began to write a buzz-post: “The Art of being a Bee” … which includes some thoughts about the “best of bees” (it is one of MANY drafts that I will hope to complete in the near future/as I have many started"drafts"...being inspired by other bees- too many thoughts to merely comment ... although I do but with brevity ;~) At the moment I find myself "hard-pressed on many sides" and writing is deterred ... but not entirely ;~) or I would not be here. All your comments about commenter’s resonated … but this one was well-poured: “Don't just post your profferings like sterile and characterless milk bottles ('past your eyes' milk comes to mind), as though we are the great unwashed. Open a window on your heart and soul and let us see your character and foibles, warts and all" God is Master-Weaver … I’m so glad for the crossing of paths … by way of being a “bee” From this “heart-t-heart” commenter to another “Be blessed” ~ Fay

Lada 🏡 Prkic

4 years ago #53

#65
Ken, I posted a buzz about Licitar hearts and one about Croatian coffee culture but also several short buzzes on national costumes and customs. I still cook many dishes that my mother cooked when I was little. Those are mostly traditional Dalmatian dishes that are very similar to Italian cuisine. I never wrote about food. Maybe it's time to get my fingers talking. :)

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #52

#64
All goes to prove, Lada, you really need to get your fingers talking, telling us more tales of Croatian customs, food and drink. What did your mother cook when you were small?

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #51

#64
All goes to prove, Lada, you really need to get your fingers talking, telling us more tales of Croatian customs, food and drink. What did your mother cook when you were small?

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #50

#64
All goes to prove, Lada, you really need to get your fingers talking, telling us more tales of Croatian customs, food and drink. What did your mother cook when you were small?

Lada 🏡 Prkic

4 years ago #49

#63
We never use vodka (we're not Russians :-)). In Dalmatia, we usually use grape brandy or pomace brandy. It's not easy to find good quality homemade brandy.

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #48

#62
Orahovica sounds intriguing, Lada. The concept of using green walnuts, harvested about this time of year, has my interest. It seems that the Italians call this liqueur nocino. Do you know if the Croatians use brandy or vodka in the recipe?

Lada 🏡 Prkic

4 years ago #47

#61
Great! Although I drink it very rarely. I like aniseta (with anise) and orahovica (with walnuts).

Ken Boddie

4 years ago #46

#60
I’ll drink to that, Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. Perhaps with some rakija?

Lada 🏡 Prkic

4 years ago #45

An excellent post that deserves one more round of comments. :)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #44

#58
Unfortunately, being on different time zones affect the thread conversation. I see it with my posts. Sometimes I respond to comments after two days. It kills the conversation. I mostly comment in the morning while drinking coffee before going to work, like I'm doing now when most of my beBee friends sleep. :)

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #43

#57
I believe you are right, Lada. Dialogue beyond initial comment and response is rarer than hen’s teeth these days. It certainly doesn’t help prolong a dialogue when people are on different time zones and there are consequently delays to dampen the enthusiasm, although I notice this doesn’t apply to our little chats. I have found in the past that the most prolonged of my on line pow wows in the past (including the renowned tittle tattle of dad joke tennis) have been when both parties are on line at the same time. One thing I have noticed of late is that I am often not automatically informed when someone has replied to one of my comments. I have learned to check a post when the automation indicates “so an so liked your comment” just in case there’s a reply.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #42

#46
I like the name you give those who post and disappear while at the same time being active on other social networks (LI). Sadly one of those is a prolific writer of topics within the field of Civil Engineering. Your tactic for solving long-lasted author excluding chats sounds good. I should try to apply it next time. One more thing, one of the commenters on my buzz said that he see comment threads as dozens of comments that aren't dialogues. Very few of them encourage further interaction. Just like "post and run" writers there are "post and run" commenters. We see the continuing dialogue with an engaging audience in very few threads.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #41

#46
I like the name you give those who post and disappear while at the same time being active on other social networks (LI). Sadly one of those is a prolific writer of topics within the field of Civil Engineering. Your tactic for solving long-lasted author excluding chats sounds good. I should try to apply it next time. One more thing, one of the commenters on my buzz said that he see comment threads as dozens of comments that aren't dialogues. Very few of them encourage further interaction. Just like "post and run" writers there are "post and write" commenters. We see the continuing dialogue with an engaging audience in very few threads.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #40

#52
As am I, Praveen Raj Gullepalli the Inimitable”. 😊

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #39

#50
Good point, Manjit, but whatever these guys are selling (unless it’s honest to goodness opinion dipped in heart and soul) I’m not buying it on this platform.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #38

#47
Some may think me a “black belt”, Bill, but others might wish that I’d ‘belt up’. 🤐

CityVP Manjit

5 years ago #37

#43
The deeper sad truth is that in a digitally empowered "Social Media" world, the digital analytic marketing God's don't care for the outliers and the truly individual, they seek to target group norms and conformity. We in the end as a collective people unwittingly aid the way marketers look to either influence, sell or upsell to us.

Bill Stankiewicz

5 years ago #36

Great 👍

Bill Stankiewicz

5 years ago #35

Cool 😎 reads here, keep in touch

Bill Stankiewicz

5 years ago #34

Great job , you are a black belt in posting 👍👍👍👍 🥋

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #33

#45
Personally, Lada, I don’t see any obligation to join in when other parties are having a chat on my post, unless I feel the urge to add something, or unless I just can’t resist the opportunity to add one of my ‘dad’ jokes. 🤗 If the non inclusive chat, however, goes on for too long, it could be construed, by some, as a little rude, as in real life. I tend to limit such author excluding chats, which I may get pulled into on the posts of others, and usually make an effort to include the author, unless they’re a ‘post and run person’ renowned for not answering or responding to comments. What say you? 😯

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #32

#35
My thoughts also, Ken. Social media platform, such as beBee is based on engagement and reciprocity. It is about some kind of author responsibility to their audience. It largely depends on how writers are inclined to engage with readers and do they even care about getting a response to their comments on other posts. One thing you mentioned is something I'm still not sure about - whether or not to respond to comments that don't aim directly at me and my post. I see many threads where a commenter was engaged in conversation with other commenters but didn't address the author of the post.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #31

#40
Thought you might be focused on preparing for Bali, Ian. Hope you get a strong turnout. Don’t forget to pack your hammock if you aim to procrastinate with Paul Walters if you manage to track him down.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #30

#39
Sad but true, Manjit, yet what better way to “draw in the target audience” than converse in the comments? Perhaps one-on-one conversations are too slow and individual for our scattergun marketers?

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #29

#37
Funny you should mention Yin and Yang, Randy. I was thinking of this energy balance when I wrote parts of this post. Perhaps we should think of our comments, if for no other reason, as the “common courtesy” boomerang. 🤗

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #28

#36
Agreed, , that there’s often character and personality to be found in the comments appendices. This interaction can be both enjoyable and revealing. And so it’s “onwards and upwards” then. 👍

Ian Weinberg

5 years ago #27

Ah Ken Boddie - I guess I’m going to have to look for him in one or other of our jungles. Watch out for my smoke signals and beating drums!

CityVP Manjit

5 years ago #26

Marketers get quite giddy when they realize that they said something or done something that makes them sound human. That is why we the mortal humans refer to them as marketers.

CityVP Manjit

5 years ago #25

Marketers get quite giddy when they realize that they said something or done something that sounds human. That is why we the mortal humans refer to them as marketers.

Randall Burns

5 years ago #24

Great post Ken Boddie Perfect illustration of "The Yin & Yang" of life; karma. Agreed that whatever energy one contributes to something, that energy will be returned and it's just common courtesy to respond to someone's dialogue that is directed at you, (and I do see a lot non-responses). I've been off of social media lately, trying to get caught up. Great to read your stuff as usual ken.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

5 years ago #23

A timely reminder post Ken Boddie Commenting is what bonded us together in the first place and what brought us closer than we would have in any other SM platform. We learnt a lot about each bee through the comments section. I remember the out of the comment box series that we used to do. Time and discipline is very important when it’s comes to being interactive with our readers and most of the people in this comment thread and a good example of the same. Thank you and let’s go onwards and upwards on beBee 🐝 🐝😀🙂😇

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #22

#29
Your important point, Lada, about those who take the time out to comment on our posts deserving a response, is something I had originally included in my notes, but which I appear to have forgotten to include in my final submission. I fully agree that comments on our posts, particularly more so when they are constructively and thoughtfully appended by others, deserve our time and effort to submit an appropriate response. furthermore, I firmly believe that after we hit the publish button, we are duty bound to monitor our posts for subsequent comments (hence enforcing the uniqueness and social bonding of this platform). I have always been somewhat 'miffed' when some of my comments (many of which take some time and effort to formulate) are ignored on the posts of other authors. It follows that I make every effort to avoid creating similar offence or annoyance to commenters on my posts, by directly responding when they are genuine (ie not from trolls or doubtful 'bots') and aimed directly at me and my post. Sorry that I appear to have missed your earlier post on similar subject. I can only plead guilty and throw myself on your mercy, with the possible saving grace that I may have been fully occupied at that time of year (December 2017) in assisting with the near impossible task of worldwide present delivery via ultrasonic sleigh and big red boomers.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #21

#32
You, Sir Prav, are an incorrigible rascal and master of the grand dad joke. This platform would be much the sadder but for your witty quips and rhymes.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #20

#25
Hey, Prav ..... I must admit, a little wit, Brings readers to our post, And, mixed with jocularity, Will entertain the most, But when we aim, for long term gain, Their habit to enrol, We must reveal, for best appeal, Some inner heart and soul. 🤔

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #19

Yes, Ken, a lot has happened on BeBee since you wrote your second buzz from which I recall those verses. beBee lacks relaxed writings such as yours instead of pointless listicles and similar stuff we see lately. I think that the initial excitement with the new platform fades. The regular contributors still drive on the beBee road but at a slower speed without stopping by and commenting like before (it applies to me also). People come and go off the platform for whatever reasons. It is what it is. I wrote about commenting in my buzz Does Every Comment Merrit a Reply? Yes, it does. If people take time to comment on my posts, they deserve at least a few minutes of my time to respond to them. I also noticed that some authors selectively reply to comments. Time is a crucial element, and we cannot expect people to read and comment on every buzz but, at least, we can try to engage with readers who found our writings worth commenting. Preferably with more than one word. :)

Pascal Derrien

5 years ago #18

#24
Jessie has passed away nearly two years ago Praveen Raj Gullepalli I thought you knew sorry 😐

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #17

#21
Yes, Franci ..... So it was, and can be again, All it takes is a few good men. And, of course, the best man for the job is a wo-man. 🤗

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #16

#6
Just noticed your comment on my selfies, John. I’m so glad you think of them as adornments, rather than disfunctional pernicious punctuation. 🤣😂🤣

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #15

#12
I prefer my pinions propping me up, John Rylance, rather than pinning down the reader, but I’m tickled pink at your feather fantasy. 🤣

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #14

#18
Indeed, Nick, Pascal Derrien’s contributions are “like a box of chocolates”. You never know what you’re going to get but they always captivate the palate.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #13

#11
Many thanks, Jerry Fletcher, but if my pinion is not obvious I’ve still got a top rope and a safety net in the various forms of extracts, quotes and ‘borrowings’ from my interactions with others such as you.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #12

#8
So true, Pascal Derrien, that many appear to burn themselves out in a series of SM sprints. I prefer, however, to think of what we do here as a form of social marathon, being here for the long run. As in your own cycling and long distance running, Pascal, regular practice and commitment is required to our writing, in order to formulate well received posts and to respond with choice comments. But, every now and then, the mind, like the body, needs a break for recuperation and stimulation, don’t you think?

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #11

#7
I must admit, Judy Olbrych will no doubt agree, a liberal scattering of jocularity (even ‘dad’ jokes) helps to bring revellers to the party.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #10

#3
It’s true, Prav, that some contributors may be bland in their profferings, and that we all have different tastes. After all, “you can’t please all of the people all of the time””. If we instill a bit of our own character in our writing, however, we’ll have more tasty bait with which to hook more readers. But there again, in your case, old buddy, I’m preaching to the converted.

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #9

#2
For sure, Paul Walters’s presence for a little while, here on beBee. Perhaps he’s taking a well deserved break from social media?

John Rylance

5 years ago #8

In my dictionary pinion is to tie or hold someone by the arms or legs. It also is the outer part of a bird's wing including the feathers. Perhaps one should pinion someone and tickle them with a bird's wing. 

Jerry Fletcher

5 years ago #7

Ken, A free climb like yours requires no pinions. Love your waggish down under quips.

Judy Olbrych

5 years ago #6

#9
Nick, Yes, they can be. Schaefer addresses that in his discussion of what he calls the third (and present) marketing rebellion.

Pascal Derrien

5 years ago #5

I think sometimes people need to take a break life gets in the way etc etc I have seen people overly involved and then disappear for reasons of their own while others are regular contributors because they can.fit it We have also lost people like Jessie RIP and I know a few other brilliant minds who have their own struggles .... Upwords and Onwords as Jim would say 😉

Judy Olbrych

5 years ago #4

Ken Boddie) making my Twitter feed burst into a succession of shares. I recently read Marketing Rebellion by Mark Schaefer, and he argues that older marketing methods are losing effectiveness. He exhorts his readers to (in the words of Cialdini) "Be. More. Human." Though I sometimes feel guilty because I'm having fun and should be "prospecting" for clients, I enjoy beBee as a place where I can be human, experiment, and enjoy connections with good conversation, mutual encouragement, and support. If you add three letters and change the punctuation, Cialdini's quote/Schaefer's theme becomes "beBee: More Human"

John Rylance

5 years ago #3

A great post as always. I particularly enjoy the "selfies" that adorn your posts.

Paul Walters

5 years ago #2

Ken Boddie ?

Ken Boddie

5 years ago #1

Rather fitting, for this particular post, that the first 'relevant' and 'share' both come from the top. Many thanks, Javier \ud83d\udc1d C\u00e1mara Rica. 👍

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