Sara Jacobovici in Out of the Comment Box, English Owner • Creative Arts Therapies Services May 2, 2017 · 2 min read · 1.1K

Purpose; do we have a choice? - Part Two

Purpose; do we have a choice? - Part Two Image credit: Boarding School Review


In his buzz, Drivers for Orderly Growth, Ali Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee has inspired a dynamic discussion partly based on purpose. Here is my “Out of the Comment Box” contribution.


Purpose: Time, Place and Central Core.

Dr. Ali writes, “…having a purpose is a center point around which we should focus our actions.”

I appreciate how Dr. Ali address purpose within time and place: “Purpose is the center of growth rather than the edges. It is the timely and orderly growth of purpose that shall lead to the formation of the "Roman Cauliflower of Purpose". Time: “timely”; or the “right time” meaning allowing a process to happen “in its time”. Place: “center of growth”; or core, “the central or most important part of something.”


Purpose and Chaos

I humbly approach the discussion of chaos as I feel I only understand the tip of this fractal iceberg. I will therefore include the following Wikipedia definition of chaos as in Chaos Theory to clarify how I conceive of chaos in the discussion of chaos and purpose.

"Chaos theory is a branch of mathematics focused on the behavior of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions. 'Chaos' is an interdisciplinary theory stating that within the apparent randomness of chaotic complex systems, there are underlying patterns, constant feedback loops, repetition, self-similarity, fractals, self-organization, and reliance on programming at the initial point known as sensitive dependence on initial conditions. The butterfly effect describes how a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state, e.g. a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can cause a tornado in Texas."

From my perspective, chaos is the internal and external manifestation of how we exist in time and space; we are in chaos and chaos is in us. I perceive purpose as something we are born with and is part of the core of our being; the central core from which purpose develops throughout our lives. It is something dynamic and influences and is influenced by chaos.

Ian Weinberg writes, “…'purpose' in turn is fed by engaging with the extended environment, where potential chaos exists. Not only is purpose fed from this engagement but it is often borne out of this engagement.”


A double rod pendulum showing chaotic behavior. Starting the pendulum from a slightly different initial condition would result in a completely different trajectory. The double rod pendulum is one of the simplest dynamical systems that has chaotic solutions.







Image credit: Pinterest


I think Harvey Lloyd presents an intriguing argument when he writes, “…with or without purpose we will enter the realm of chaos. With purpose we will find what we are looking for, without purpose we will only find helplessness and remain within the chaos.”  If I remain consistent with my perception of chaos and purpose, I would, respectfully, reframe Harvey’s argument in this way: with or without our awareness of purpose we exist in chaos. With awareness, we will connect with our purpose, without awareness, we will not understand what we are doing in the chaos.


Our understanding of our place in chaos can go deeper with our awareness of our purpose. We can use purpose to, as Dr. Ali says, “…find the ordered layers in chaos.”


Purpose and Choices

Dr. Ali introduces the idea of choices into the discussion of purpose. I contribute to this discussion by reprinting the following excerpt from the first part of this post, Purpose; do we have a choice?.


In the article, The Connection to Purpose: Why work matters, the author writes:

“In a broad sense, purpose can be defined as "the reason for which something exists or is done." It is not the task at hand but rather seeing how that task fits into the greater scheme of the organization. Employees who see that their work has a direct and significant impact on the world around them are more likely to tackle that work with passion; they aren't just in it for the paycheck.
Developing [a] level of engagement and commitment to a greater purpose is an individual choice and an individual journey.” (Emphasis mine.)

Where does purpose come from?

Expanding on the definition found in the above paragraph, purpose can be described as; “the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists; have as one's intention or objective.”

Here we see a process developing from the reason to the intention.

Where does all this come from.? When did this process begin?

As the classic three words suggest, “in the beginning”. In the beginning, we experienced ourselves in relation to self, others and the world around us from the sensory information we received. From the experience, we formed meaning. It is this meaning that we carried over into other experiences that set the groundwork for purpose; we developed the beliefs and values which give reason and intention to purpose.

We can have purpose, but only through choice do we activate purpose.



Sara Jacobovici May 3, 2017 · #14

#13 This is an authentic @Savvy Raj comment. Thanks for the added value Savvy.

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Savvy Raj May 3, 2017 · #13

Dear @ Sara Jacobvici beautiful insights and I would like to highlight an additional line ...
'From experience, we formed meaning. It is this meaning that we carried over into other experiences that set the groundwork for purpose;' Finding meaning is a journey in itself ...of assimilations and acknowledgements ...of amalgamations in the alchemy of thoughts and actions .... I enjoyed reading it immensely. Will certainly read the earlier post and links in time ..... In these free will of choice and passion for expression our being finds its purpose.

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#10 Great comment again by the great thinker @Harvey Lloyd. The pendulum may start from a static point, but when it gets moving it does and not permanently. It pauses till it gets the "push". The constant game between chaos and purpose is the only constant in their interchange and feedback game. SOmetimes the games stops for a short period, but soon it starts again. Is the pause period the one we find order? I am thinking loudly.

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Sara Jacobovici May 2, 2017 · #11

#10 Thanks for sharing your thoughts @Harvey Lloyd. Your perspective is thought provoking.

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Harvey Lloyd May 2, 2017 · #10

"If I remain consistent with my perception of chaos and purpose" I like the way you placed the reframe and the reframe itself. It does however imply a constant state of chaos whereby we need to develop purpose within. My personal theory has always been that yes chaos does exist at the 40k level of understanding. But individually it ebbs and flows according to our reaction at the 40k level. Establishing constant movement in and out of chaos from an individual perspective. We as individuals do have the ability to stand outside of the chaos and develop purpose.

Under your thought of consistent chaos then, purpose would represent quite a challenge as the lingering past purposes would be in there as well. If chaos is static then the purpose would require a dynamic perspective. Keeping in mind that, "me, I" is the constant within the visual context of this fractal.

Your picture and @Ian Weinberg's thoughts state that the pendulum started, implying it was at some state of rest just prior to engaging. Giving rise to the thought that chaos does ebb and flow in cycles from the individual physiological perspective.

I would need to rethink my thoughts if chaos is the physiological constant. Purpose becomes a challenge if chaos is the constant. I need to find purpose but i can't get off the wheel of chaos.

Thanks for your mention and extension of this awesome conversation started by none other than @Ali Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Good thoughts and a challenging concept.

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Ian Weinberg May 2, 2017 · #9

@Sara Jacobovici Forgive me, I just can't resist. I have to give my subjective answer to that question before I shut down for the night. I personally believe that if one reached a point of functioning at a level of absolute awareness of everything, one would descend into terminal purposelessness and inaction - a state devoid of the engagement of subjective purpose with the chaos of life is a state of death.

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Ian Weinberg May 2, 2017 · #8

#6 I would ask in response therefore whether full awareness alone of our subjectivity and of the engagement with the external 'chaos' ensures absolute free choice (choice independent of any subjectivity)? I would contend that only if a fully objective, running meta-state narrative were to replace all of our subjectivity would we inherit absolute free choice. That is the absolute. Obviously there are degrees of substitution - degrees of replacement of subjectivity with objective, awareness-based meta-state information. The degrees of substitution would be determined by the receptivity within the subjective narrative. From here follows another very enticing question - What choices are made from absolute awareness? Well Sara ... that's for another time!

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Sara Jacobovici May 2, 2017 · #7

#3 Thank you @Ali Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee for being the spark. Looking forward to more from you.

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