Susan 🐝 Rooks, the Grammar Goddess en Directors and Executives, Communications and journalism, Teachers The Grammar Goddess • Grammar Goddess Communication 14/9/2017 · 3 min de lectura · +900

Thursday Thought: Some Punctuation Rules Make NO Sense!

Thursday Thought: Some Punctuation Rules Make NO Sense!We all live by some rules — legal, financial, societal — and we do know what we’re supposed to do because of them. We stop at red lights, we pay our bills, we say please and thank you, and we take care of our families.

But in the world of American grammar, many of the punctuation rules appear to be arbitrary, doing nothing to clarify a writer’s thoughts and ideas for readers.

Here are three that I think should be reconsidered, and as they’re part of the American grammar system, they may not apply to you. But if you write or speak in English . . .

1. Colons to set up lists: The rule says we do not place a colon after any word that introduces a list in a sentence that cannot end a sentence.

Wrong: The box includes: napkins, paper towels, and sponges.

Why? Because the word “includes” cannot end a sentence. We wouldn’t write “The box includes” with a period after it, right?

Right: The box includes napkins, paper towels, and sponges.
Right: There are some supplies in the box: napkins, paper towels, and sponges.

The two above are right because the first one leaves out the colon, and the second one has a full sentence before the colon.

Seriously, though, how can it matter whether there’s a colon there? Many writers have no idea about the rule, and darned few of us are confused by their sentences when they use the colon.

But if you write bullet points under the first part of the sentence, the rule changes from can’t do that to oh, sure. If you want to.

The box includes:
Napkins
Paper
Sponges

2. Commas connecting separate sentences: The rule says we cannot connect two full sentences with just a comma. We can use a semicolon between them, we can add one of the seven coordinating conjunctions (and, but, for, nor, or, so, yet) and keep the comma, or we can write the sentences as separate ones, each with its own end mark of punctuation.

Wrong: Thanks for the reply, I’ll respond later.

Why? Because each half of that short sentence is already a complete thought, so the comma is what’s called a comma splice, a real no-no in American grammar!

Right: Thanks for the reply; I’ll respond later.
Right: Thanks for the reply. I’ll respond later.
Right: Thanks for the reply, and I’ll respond later.

I can’t figure out why it should matter. No one is ever confused by using just a comma between two sentences, are they?

3. Periods and commas with quotation marks: The American rule states that periods and commas always go inside / in front of / before the final quotation marks, even if we’re only quoting the last word(s) in a sentence. And we use doubles outside, and singles only inside (never alone). (FYI: There is no need to quote nerd or weird; I have done it below to show how to use quotation marks and periods when we quote a word at the end of a sentence.)

Wrong: “Cathy thinks Tom’s a ‘nerd’ ”.
Wrong: “Cathy thinks Tom’s a ‘nerd’.”
Right: “Cathy thinks Tom’s a ‘nerd.’ ”

Wrong: Tom thinks Cathy is “weird”.
Right: Tom thinks Cathy is “weird.”

Again, it makes no sense to me to always put commas and periods inside; it looks weird and it is counter-intuitive!

Now, are there any rules that make sense? Yes, at least to me.

1. Direct Address: We need a comma when we’re writing to a specific person, whether we refer to that person by title or name. The rule is called direct address because we’re directly addressing that person. And leaving out the comma can create some unintended humor . . .

Wrong: Thanks for sharing Susan
Right: Thanks for sharing, Susan!

Why? Because leaving out the comma makes it look as though someone is sharing Susan . . .

The most famous meme on this topic is “Let’s eat, Grandma!” or “Let’s eat Grandma!”

2. The Oxford comma: Using it routinely helps writers be clear when writing a list in which the last two items could be seen as a single unit, even if that’s not the writer’s intent.

Wrong: My heroes are my parents, Superman and Wonder Woman.
Right: My heroes are my parents, Superman, and Wonder Woman.

With the comma after Superman, it’s easy to see that there are FOUR heroes being mentioned; without it, it can and will look to many readers as though the writer’s parents are Superman and Wonder Woman.

3. End and internal marks of punctuation, and capitalization. I don’t know when early writers realized there needed to be a way to show that sentences or sections in them had ended, or that new ones had started, but along the way they did.

Hard to read?

specific marks show the reader that the sentence has ended and another one has begun and each mark carries an emotional message as well even if it’s nothing more than we’re done here the exclamation mark shows excitement of some kind the question mark shows a questioning tone and the ellipsis mark the three dots while not technically an end mark is often used at the end of a sentence to show a thought that trails off or words left out of an original quotation

Easier?

Specific marks show the reader that the sentence has ended, and another one has begun. And each mark carries an emotional message as well, even if it’s nothing more than “we’re done here.” The exclamation mark shows excitement, the question mark shows a questioning tone, and the ellipsis mark (the three dots), while not technically an end mark, is often used at the end of a sentence to show a thought that trails off or words left out of an original quotation.

They’re all useful to help readers understand a writer’s intent, and before the 19th century and the invention of the telephone, punctuation marks were a great way to alert a reader to emotional content.

Are there other punctuation marks or issues with American grammar that don’t make sense to you — or do? Please share your ideas with us here.

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#4 And I keep trying to help, as you do, @David B. Grinberg, always commenting on my posts and often sharing them. I really appreciate your efforts!

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#3 And @Paul "Pablo" Croubalian? I know nada about coding! Nothing. Commas I know about, but not anything you're so good at in your world.

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#1 Yes, you did, @Kevin Pashuk, and you even used the comma before my name. Much appreciate you for all that, for your willingness to read and comment so often on my posts.

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#10 You're right on all points there, @Peter Altschuler! That's why I always mention that I'm talking about the American grammar rules, not others. We have some weird ideas that as you saw, don't even make sense. I totally agree with the idea the Brits have, because it makes sense.

Thanks, as always, for reading and commenting!

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Peter Altschuler 15/9/2017 · #10

The responses are almost more intriguing than your post, @Susan 🐝 Rooks, the Grammar Goddess. That's primarily because so many violate the American practice of putting punctuation inside quotation marks. In the U.K., the rules are different.

Consider the following sentence.
John saw no reason to call them "unreasonable".
In the U.K., the final period goes outside the mark. By contrast, there's this:
Nigel said, "John saw no reason to call them unreasonable."
In the first instance, the word "unreasonable" is not a full quote, so the Brits put the period after the quotation mark. The second is a full quote, so the period goes inside the mark.

Ordinarily, these things stay put on their respective sides of the oceans. Yet I often write for clients who need a U.S. and a U.K. version, so I have to move the punctuation to adapt to the prevailing rules... and change spelling (z/s; or/our) and certain plurals ("IBM is introducing..."/"IBM are introducing...") and word forms (while/whilst).

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siraj shaik 15/9/2017 · #9

@Susan 🐝 Rooks, the Grammar Goddess interesting insights from a maestro (or should I use "master or mentor". Correct me). "Rather having defined character limit, still I have much space to write. Where as at some other comment space does not provide lengthy conversations to type. Because of limited character limit. And another aspect "to keep in stream by responding instantly and also at same time keep following shared text by others" (reference chat apps engagement either to individual responses or in group exchanging discussion". Mayb the reeson (typo's occur) and to keep in pace, find the best ways expressing the sentence so that other(s) easily know what I had written". In finding the best ways to cut short a longer sentence or to keep pace along with others in group (I may not only overlook the auto dictionary feature, using an emoji will save me characters). Can these be reasons of why and more often grammatically correct sentences not much in use and diminishing. W ho to blame remains a choice to ignore.

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John Rylance 15/9/2017 · #8

@Susan 🐝 Rooks, the Grammar Goddess, I'm not an ace at punctuation. I know many things I should and should not do grammar wise. The important thing is whether what you write is what you want to or intend saying.
I did put my nit picking hat on and wondered if when you typed Thanks for sharing Susan you meant to put either a full stop or perhaps an ! ( do I need a full stop here after the !?)

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You know, @Susan 🐝 Rooks, the Grammar Goddess, I was having a great day until I had to think about apostrophes, especially the singles. Use of single apostrophes has always been a bit confusing to me. Thank you for your dedication to keeping my grammar in check.

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